SE Add On Question... an other questions.

[Ian_J]

It's been 6 years since I've instructed in an airplane. I'm a current military helicopter instructor. I have two guys who work for me with Commercial Multi certificates. They got their FAA certs as a result of the Army multi-engine fixed wing course. They both want a SE add-on. 61.63 says they need no training time requirements so all they need to do is train to proficiency in the PTS maneuvers outlined as needed on the additional rating task table.They asked if I would do the training.

Questions:

1. Obviously I would need to get checked out, relearn the maneuvers myself, and also convince the FBO/ flight school to allow me to instruct. For anyone who's been out of planes for a while and got back into it - how long did it take you to regain commercial instructional proficiency?

2. Is this even worth it? They want to fly with me because we all know each other and they wouldn't be charged for it, but seeing as how they fly King Airs now and have experience in 182s from school, I have to imagine the training hours they would need would be minimal. I'd have to get trained myself and get a medical - seems like a lot of ass-pain.

Then again, if getting back up to speed in airplanes is quicker than I think, it might be fun. Opinions welcome.

 

[Rotor2Wing]

Hmmm if it were me I'd just tell them to go to one of the quickie add-on places that could do it in a weekend. Double Eagle, Sheble, Action Multi has a SE side of the business that could probably do it. Blue Ridge Sport Flight I mentioned in the tailwheel thread could also do it too in a weekend. It would be the quickest and easiest for all involved IMO.

 

[Blackhawk]

A consideration is what add-on. Private SEL? Commercial SEL? Or, if; they have ATP airplane, a SEL ATP (technically not an add-on and no endorsement required for the check ride though they would obviously need a solo endorsement)? Different maneuvers depending on the ride they want to take and what their goals are.

 

[Ian_J]

A consideration is what add-on. Private SEL? Commercial SEL? Or, if; they have ATP airplane, a SEL ATP (technically not an add-on and no endorsement required for the check ride though they would obviously need a solo endorsement)? Different maneuvers depending on the ride they want to take and what their goals are.

Commercial.

 

[Houston]

You might want to consider team-teaching with another instructor.

Also, since you are three friends moving in the same direction, think about putting the third person in the back seat. A lot can be learned by watching when the pressure to perform is reduced.

Lastly, take a look at the Additional Rating Task Table in the PTS. The practical test for an additional rating to a commercial certificate is not as encompassing as a test for the initial commercial certificate.

 

[Ian_J]

You might want to consider team-teaching with another instructor.

Also, since you are three friends moving in the same direction, think about putting the third person in the back seat. A lot can be learned by watching when the pressure to perform is reduced.

Lastly, take a look at the Additional Rating Task Table in the PTS. The practical test for an additional rating to a commercial certificate is not as encompassing as a test for the initial commercial certificate.

All good ideas. I have already looked at the tasks required, and yeah, the list is pretty light.

 

[Blackhawk]

All good ideas. I have already looked at the tasks required, and yeah, the list is pretty light.

Yeah, it's as close as you can get to a fun check ride. The difficult thing will be getting your students to "feel" the airplane and fly visually, not with an instrument scan. You will probably need to cover the instruments after they do the maneuvers a few times.
Having done a few of these on the oral side I have them do the AOPA ASF pneumatic system course and the engine and propeller course. They probably remember little about piston airplanes (if anything), or the pneumatic system, so these will help.

I have a syllabus on my website that I used when I had a contract with the Army to do some of these. It includes a tail wheel endorsement at the end because they were transitioning to single engine tail wheel airplanes after the course- obviously you can cut this out. Feel free to use it, not use it, modify it, whatever.
Also you might want to double check it against the newer PTS as I wrote this when the older one was in effect. Some of the other references may also be out of date.

http://samdawsoncfi.com/commercialseladd_on.html

 

[Ian_J]

Yeah, it's as close as you can get to a fun check ride. The difficult thing will be getting your students to "feel" the airplane and fly visually, not with an instrument scan. You will probably need to cover the instruments after they do the maneuvers a few times.
Having done a few of these on the oral side I have them do the AOPA ASF pneumatic system course and the engine and propeller course. They probably remember little about piston airplanes (if anything), or the pneumatic system, so these will help.

I have a syllabus on my website that I used when I had a contract with the Army to do some of these. It includes a tail wheel endorsement at the end because they were transitioning to single engine tail wheel airplanes after the course- obviously you can cut this out. Feel free to use it, not use it, modify it, whatever.
Also you might want to double check it against the newer PTS as I wrote this when the older one was in effect. Some of the other references may also be out of date.

http://samdawsoncfi.com/commercialseladd_on.html

That's awesome - thanks!