Scenic Flights without LOA

Fly_Unity

Well-Known Member
Is it legal to take paying passengers on scenic flights if its within 25 SM within your home airport without a Letter of Authorization from the FAA?

MY FBO is trying to do these Scenic flights and the FSDO claimed we needed a letter from them first to do these Scenic flights. However they are very slow in giving us this letter (months) and It appears to me in FAR 119.1 that we dont even need such a letter?

What about people that come in wanting to take pictures? Can we do this on our own?

Thanks
 

tgrayson

New Member
Is it legal to take paying passengers on scenic flights if its within 25 SM within your home airport without a Letter of Authorization from the FAA?

MY FBO is trying to do these Scenic flights and the FSDO claimed we needed a letter from them first to do these Scenic flights. However they are very slow in giving us this letter (months) and It appears to me in FAR 119.1 that we dont even need such a letter?

What about people that come in wanting to take pictures? Can we do this on our own?

Thanks
What about 91.147?


§ 91.147 Passenger carrying flights for compensation or hire.
Each Operator conducting passenger carrying flights for compensation or
hire must meet the following requirements unless all flights are conducted
under § 91.146.
(a) For the purposes of this section and for drug and alcohol testing, Operator means any person conducting nonstop passenger-carrying flights in an airplane or helicopter for compensation or hire in accordance with §§ 119.1(e)(2), 135.1(a)(5), or 121.1(d), of this chapter that begin and end at the same airport and are conducted within a 25-statute mile radius of that airport.
(b) An Operator must comply with the safety provisions of part 136, subpart A of this chapter, and apply for and receive a Letter of Authorization from the Flight Standards District Office nearest to its principal place of business by September 11, 2007.
(c) Each application for a Letter of Authorization must include the following
information:
(1) Name of Operator, agent, and any d/b/a (doing-business-as) under which that Operator does business;
(2) Principal business address and mailing address;
(3) Principal place of business (if different from business address);
(4) Name of person responsible for management of the business;
(5) Name of person responsible for aircraft maintenance;
(6) Type of aircraft, registration number(s), and make/model/series; and
(7) An Antidrug and Alcohol Misuse Prevention Program registration.
(d) The Operator must register and implement its drug and alcohol testing
programs in accordance with part 121, appendices I and J, of this chapter.
(e) The Operator must comply with the provisions of the Letter of Authorization received
 

Speed Pilot

Brain Damaged
Yeah you need the letter. We just dealt with this at my company because we gave scenic flights at an airshow. We got violated because we had a Part 135 LOA not a Part 91 LOA and we didn't have a seperate drug screening pool for Part 91 operations. All our pilots are in a drug screening pool for 135 only. They want us to set up a second drug pool for the Part 91 LOA.
 

Fly_Unity

Well-Known Member
Thanks much guys .. Guess I never knew about 91.147

So If a customer wants to take pictures....?
 

taseal

Well-Known Member
interesting... I thought scenic flights were allowed within 25 (actually thought it was 50) just like CFIing....

i might be confusing it with holding out and all that stuff though
 

MidlifeFlyer

Well-Known Member
interesting... I thought scenic flights were allowed within 25 (actually thought it was 50) just like CFIing....

i might be confusing it with holding out and all that stuff though
"Holding out" deals with whether the activity is being offered to the public. It doesn't make something legal or illegal all by itself. That's the common confusion about holding out.

But I don't think it's related to this situation. In this situation, it's just that "allowed" for the purpose of determining whether or not you need an operating certificate does not mean it's "allowed" without any regulatory limitations at all.

91.147 is new. But there have been requirements for testing for doing scenic flights for quite a while.
 
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