Scabs
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Dugie8
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A pilot who crosses a picket line to fly while the other pilots are on strike.
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that doesn't inlcude GoJets.
OldTownPilot
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this is how the list of worst people in the world goes:
1 Murderers
2 Rapists
3 Scabs
A scab is anyone (in any industry) that performs struck work.
1 Murderers
2 Rapists
3 Scabs
A scab is anyone (in any industry) that performs struck work.
montanapilot
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Straight from the source:
A SCAB is A Person Who is Doing What You’d be Doing if You Weren’t on Strike.
A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor disputes and walking over the backs of workers trying to maintain decent wages and working conditions. He helps management to destroy his and your profession, often ending up under conditions he/she wouldn't even have scabbed for. No matter. A SCAB doesn't think long term, nor does he think of anything other then himself. His smile shows fangs that drip with your blood, for he willingly destroys families, lives, careers, opportunities and professions at the drop of a hat. He takes from a striker what he knows he could never earn by his own merit: a decent Job. He steals that which others earned at the bargaining
table through blood, sweat and tears, and throws it away in an instant - ruining lives, jobs and careers.
A SCAB is A Person Who is Doing What You’d be Doing if You Weren’t on Strike.
A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor disputes and walking over the backs of workers trying to maintain decent wages and working conditions. He helps management to destroy his and your profession, often ending up under conditions he/she wouldn't even have scabbed for. No matter. A SCAB doesn't think long term, nor does he think of anything other then himself. His smile shows fangs that drip with your blood, for he willingly destroys families, lives, careers, opportunities and professions at the drop of a hat. He takes from a striker what he knows he could never earn by his own merit: a decent Job. He steals that which others earned at the bargaining
table through blood, sweat and tears, and throws it away in an instant - ruining lives, jobs and careers.
Killtron2000
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In the airline industry is the scab just someone who decides not to go on strike with the other pilots or do they actually hire new people and train them from scratch? It's not exactly like working at the grocery store.
OldTownPilot
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there are scabs that flew for the same airline before the strike and continued to fly.
UAL hired guys under a fleet qual program that gave a 50k bonus to guys that were current in a airplane that they flew. Several of these fleet qual guys scabbed at CAL too. There are even a couple of 3-time scabbers.
Short answer is guys do get hired off the street to be a scab.
UAL hired guys under a fleet qual program that gave a 50k bonus to guys that were current in a airplane that they flew. Several of these fleet qual guys scabbed at CAL too. There are even a couple of 3-time scabbers.
Short answer is guys do get hired off the street to be a scab.
MSUDAWG
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Also known as NON-MEMBERS! And those guys are BIG TIME winners....... NOT...
staplegun
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From the OED:
scab
• noun 1 a dry, rough protective crust that forms over a cut or wound during healing. 2 mange or a similar skin disease in animals. 3 any of a number of fungal diseases of plants in which rough patches develop. 4 informal a person or thing regarded with contempt. 5 derogatory a person who refuses to strike or who takes the place of a striking worker.
• verb (scabbed, scabbing) 1 scabbed encrusted with a scab or scabs. 2 derogatory work as a scab.
— DERIVATIVES scabby adjective.
— ORIGIN Old Norse.
Kevin
scab
• noun 1 a dry, rough protective crust that forms over a cut or wound during healing. 2 mange or a similar skin disease in animals. 3 any of a number of fungal diseases of plants in which rough patches develop. 4 informal a person or thing regarded with contempt. 5 derogatory a person who refuses to strike or who takes the place of a striking worker.
• verb (scabbed, scabbing) 1 scabbed encrusted with a scab or scabs. 2 derogatory work as a scab.
— DERIVATIVES scabby adjective.
— ORIGIN Old Norse.
Kevin
OldTownPilot
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Except, long story short, they are members now. Unfortunately. That way you couldn't have a MEC chair that is a scab.
Jay Panarello, former CAL MEC chair, Scab for life.
MSUDAWG
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Yeah true....But im talking about members as in union people vs. nonmembers the non union guys...haha
Tram
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Scabs blow goats..
GoJet guys are not.. scabs... not sure what they are.. I wouldn't wanna work there..
Once a scab, always a scab and there will always be someone who knows you as a scab, which will not help you..
When my pops was at Eastern, there was a local guy who was hired off the street to be a scab.. My dad, uncle and one of their good friends tried to convince the guy not to be a scab..
Dad and Uncle both went on to become Captains at major airlines - the scab now flies a Cheyenne.....
There are a lot of things in aviation people can call you, top of the "bad ju ju list" is a scab...
GoJet guys are not.. scabs... not sure what they are.. I wouldn't wanna work there..
Once a scab, always a scab and there will always be someone who knows you as a scab, which will not help you..
When my pops was at Eastern, there was a local guy who was hired off the street to be a scab.. My dad, uncle and one of their good friends tried to convince the guy not to be a scab..
Dad and Uncle both went on to become Captains at major airlines - the scab now flies a Cheyenne.....
There are a lot of things in aviation people can call you, top of the "bad ju ju list" is a scab...
Captain_Bob
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OK... here's a situation that I've been wondering about.
Let's say a pilot group goes on strike. Of course... anyone hired to do their job while they are on strike... and anyone who chose not to strike and continue working are considered scabs by definition.
However... what about someone like a Chief Pilot, a Director of Flight Ops, or a Director of Training? Someone who is management and not a part of the union officially yet still able to fly and does so to help the operation continue. Is that person then considered a scab? If not... what if he/she leaves for another airline several years after the strike situation?
What about Dispatchers, rampers, flight attendants, gate agents and the like... if they are dispatching planes, working the ramp, servicing the cabins, etc. of the aircraft that are flying while the majority of the pilot group is on strike... what are there roles in the "scab" outcome?
Serious question... I have no dog in this fight... and I fully understand the normal "scab" scenario that's been depicted on numerous occasions. This has simply been something I've been wondering about every time the scab discussion resurfaces.
Bob
Let's say a pilot group goes on strike. Of course... anyone hired to do their job while they are on strike... and anyone who chose not to strike and continue working are considered scabs by definition.
However... what about someone like a Chief Pilot, a Director of Flight Ops, or a Director of Training? Someone who is management and not a part of the union officially yet still able to fly and does so to help the operation continue. Is that person then considered a scab? If not... what if he/she leaves for another airline several years after the strike situation?
What about Dispatchers, rampers, flight attendants, gate agents and the like... if they are dispatching planes, working the ramp, servicing the cabins, etc. of the aircraft that are flying while the majority of the pilot group is on strike... what are there roles in the "scab" outcome?
Serious question... I have no dog in this fight... and I fully understand the normal "scab" scenario that's been depicted on numerous occasions. This has simply been something I've been wondering about every time the scab discussion resurfaces.
Bob
MSUDAWG
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Well, from my knowledge (which isnt too much) my dads friend and neighbor who is chief pilot IS a member of the union but from what I understood was when scheduling needed someone to fly a trip, and no one could take it for various reasons, that he and the other management would have to move those airplanes. As for the "scabbiness" (is that a word?) of it, I wouldnt consider him or any other management who fights for the pilot group, a scab for HAVING to flying a trip bc of his job title...As for someone who volunteers during a strike thats a diff story I guess.....
Heres a diff scenario I am looking for an answer to....XYZ airline is in negotiations with their pilots on a new contract. Talks seemed to be going somewhere then hit a brick wall. From that point on it has been mgt. against the pilots working their tails off and continuing to treat them like scum. A strike is an option but not for a few months. Is the guy who VOLUNTEERS on his days off to work and pick up a draft trip considered a scab bc he is trying to help move airplanes when negotiations are currently in the works?
staplegun
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Any pilot who flies a revenue flight carrying pax or repositioning aircraft while that airline is being struck is a scab.
There is no free pass for being a chief pilot; they will have to make the decision whether or not they want to spend the rest of their careers with that label...
NO! You are only a scab if you cross a picket line.
You will see people throw around the "scab" label somewhat loosely, usually to condemn some position/action taken by someone they disagree with. This is BS.
To repeat: You are only a scab if you perform struck work, i.e. cross a picket line!
Kevin
staplegun
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Any pilot who flies a revenue flight carrying pax or repositioning aircraft while that airline is being struck is a scab!
There is no free pass for being a chief pilot, director of flight ops or director of training; they will have to make the decision whether or not they want to spend the rest of their careers with that label...
They are not scabs, unless their unions have also gone out on strike. The work being struck is specific to the position, e.g. "pilot," and the union, e.g. ALPA.
Kevin
surreal1221
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The term scab is not exclusive to aviation. Any work that is unionized, can / will eventually see a scab or two . . . during periods of strikes, etc.
What about Dispatchers, rampers, flight attendants, gate agents and the like... if they are dispatching planes, working the ramp, servicing the cabins, etc. of the aircraft that are flying while the majority of the pilot group is on strike... what are there roles in the "scab" outcome?
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From what I understand if the union you are a member of calls a strike, you strike. If you continue to work, your a scab. If you are hired as a replacement, your a scab etc etc. Now the only experience I have with this is when my dad was at EAL. He was IAM. EAL was crippled because the other unions (TWU, ALPA) honored the line and struck as well. TWU represented the FAs and I can't remember if the counter and gate agent were represented there or not, but I digress. If they did not honor the line and those particular unions didnt call a strike or chose to honor the line then I believe they could have still worked and not be considered scabs. Wouldn't say too much for solidarity at that particular companys organizations at that particular time though.
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From what I understand if the union you are a member of calls a strike, you strike. If you continue to work, your a scab. If you are hired as a replacement, your a scab etc etc. Now the only experience I have with this is when my dad was at EAL. He was IAM. EAL was crippled because the other unions (TWU, ALPA) honored the line and struck as well. TWU represented the FAs and I can't remember if the counter and gate agent were represented there or not, but I digress. If they did not honor the line and those particular unions didnt call a strike or chose to honor the line then I believe they could have still worked and not be considered scabs. Wouldn't say too much for solidarity at that particular companys organizations at that particular time though.
CoffeeIcePapers
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This is just a question I am throwing out there, so don't jump down my throat. I am all for calling people scabs if they signed up for the union, and then jumped the picket line to go fly again. BUT
What is wrong with people who do not belong to the company, or the union, "outsiders" coming in and working? They signed no union agreement, and have no loyalty to either side. They are going in to do a job and get paid, and get the hell out of there.
What is wrong with people who do not belong to the company, or the union, "outsiders" coming in and working? They signed no union agreement, and have no loyalty to either side. They are going in to do a job and get paid, and get the hell out of there.
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