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Goonie
Never say die
None of my responses are appropriate for this forum
You ever get your house put back together?
Yep after 7 months of apartment living. I hate apartments.
rocketman5150
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EWR isn't clogged because of Barons and Navajos. It's clogged up because the FAA has failed to keep the NAS modernized.
rocketman5150
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How much is "enough?"
Quoted for amusement purposes.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Just pointing out the absurdity of making things fee-based. Once it happens, everyone wants an exemption from it. So if there is a fee, I only see it being "fair" if all users are forced to budget for it, no exceptions.
Autothrust Blue
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Keep repeating that to yourself—hub congestion is also due to the fact that there simply isn't enough real estate to have nice, long strips of concrete. Think SFO.
TFaudree_ERAU
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In regards to the airlines funding the satellite airports:
Look at it this way. GA is the hooker, and the airline is the John. You don't pay us to be around, you pay us to go away. Or in this case, stay away from your big airports.
Look at it this way. GA is the hooker, and the airline is the John. You don't pay us to be around, you pay us to go away. Or in this case, stay away from your big airports.
TFaudree_ERAU
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No. Hub congestion is due to the fact that the airlines think that the weather is never anything but perfect, and that fair weather AAR is obtainable 365 days a year.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Always entertaining to see the non-airline people tell the airline executives how to run an airline. 
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
We are saying the same thing, expressed differently.
TFaudree_ERAU
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Always entertaining to see the non-airline people tell the airline executives how to run an airline.
Thinking you can shove 10 lbs of crap into something that often shrinks to only hold 5 lbs, and then complaining about it, certainly is sound business sense. But I hope and pray that they never figure it out, because then I may be out of a job. I'm pretty sure, however, that I need not worry.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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They do what it takes to make money. Running an airline schedule based upon bad weather days is not profitable. Running it based upon good weather days and simply putting up with the occasional bad weather day and the delays that come with it is the only way to be profitable. Don't like it? Support re-regulation.
TFaudree_ERAU
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I am 100% in support of it in it's current (bad word redacted) up form. Like I said...keeps me employed.
Seggy
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So us wanting user fees is wrong, yet, you wanting a lack of progress to be made to fix things is ok?
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
I'm talking about airline scheduling practices, not the state of the ATC system.
But while we're on the subject...
If ATC is privatized, then I'm all for user fees. But as long as it's run by a highly inefficient government agency that doesn't do jack squat with what money they already do have, my answer is not only no, but HELL NO.
ComplexHiAv8r
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ATN_Pilot said:Always entertaining to see the non-airline people tell the airline executives how to run an airline.
Same as 121 tell corporate how to run their businesses.
Also, just make these hubs have x arrivals on good data y on bad. The reduced arrivals on y days pushed across all airlines at that hub. Thus would help flow in bad days. Let the airlines figure out how to handle it. They have to anyways now.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Is anyone doing that? I haven't seen any. We're just telling the government to make corporate pay their fair share.
I read this a few times, but I'm still not sure what you're trying to say.
ComplexHiAv8r
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Either you or Seggy made comments about how corporate planes are used.
Say EWR gets 200 arrivals on a good day, 150 on a bad. Say 50 for each of 4 airlines. One a bad day each airline loses 25% of their arrivals, they can decide which ones that will not go there on that day. I know timing would be factor, but that is the idea. The airlines already have to handle that problems of cancellations anyway.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I don't know if Seggy did, but I certainly didn't. I don't care how some rich guy uses his airplane, as long as he pays up.
Not really how it works. Cancellations are pretty rare except for truly extreme weather. Completion factors are incredibly high. In the old days, cancellations were more common. Now airlines just engage in rolling delays. Sometimes the schedule doesn't catch up for a week. Cancellations result in reduced revenue. Delays just piss off passengers. But since passengers only care about price, pissing them off really doesn't lead to reduced revenue. Welcome to a deregulated environment.