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GA supplies the airlines with their pilots. No GA, no airlines. For the win...probably not, but let's see where that takes us :)
 
Seggy ATN_Pilot I can't believe you guys look down on the true meaning of general aviation. Yes there are corporate outfits that get away with things but so do airlines. It's the life we live and we have to get used to it. Seggy you are about to start a new generation and how discouraging is it going to be when you tell him that he can't learn how to fly because it costs too much?

You two have done a lot of good for the professional side of the field, but I'm shocked how condescending you are towards people that don't do the same kind of flying as you.
 
amorris311 said:
Seggy ATN_Pilot I can't believe you guys look down on the true meaning of general aviation.
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The guy flying around in a Piper Cub or Cessna 172 or training in a Seneca for his ratings should NOT be burdened by thousands or even hundreds of additional fees here. I am sayings an additional $10.00 to $50.00 a year for those folks.

Yes there are corporate outfits that get away with things but so do airlines.
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Oh come on here. Airlines can't claim depreciation on an airplane for a 'business trip' to the islands to have a golf outing with a 'business partner' who happens to be the son of the owner of the company/jet.

Part 121 Flying is the most government regulated deregulated industry out there. Tough to get away with stretching the tax laws like corporate folks due. See the Spirit, Southwest, Allegiant Lawsuit to see how difficult it is.

Seggy you are about to start a new generation and how discouraging is it going to be when you tell him that he can't learn how to fly because it costs too much?
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I hope to say that he has a strong career prospect to be a pilot as those corporate users are paying their fair share finally. Also diapers are expensive so I want the airlines to make billions for good job stability.

You two have done a lot of good for the professional side of the field, but I'm shocked how condescending you are towards people that don't do the same kind of flying as you.
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Not being condescending here, just speaking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts.
 
JordanD said:
I really hate it when there's a flow time into EWR because there's a bunch of Barons and Navajos clogging up the airspace.
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You do understand that traffic going into TEB does impact the airspace and flow programs going into LGA, EWR, and JFK?
 
Seggy said:
You do understand that traffic going into TEB does impact the airspace and flow programs going into LGA, EWR, and JFK?
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Don't start that argument. You mean to tell me the reason I sweated through shirts in the summer at LGA is because of the 50 planes an hour at TEB?
 
amorris311 said:
Don't start that argument.
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I did

You mean to tell me the reason I sweated through shirts in the summer at LGA is because of the 50 planes an hour at TEB?
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You do understand that when the weather goes to crap in the NYC Area they will alternate aircraft departures between LGA/EWR/JFK/TEB for fixes such as BIGGY, DIXIE, ELIOT, etc? Please tell me you understand that. PLEASE!
 
Seggy said:
You do understand that when the weather goes to crap in the NYC Area they will alternate aircraft departures between LGA/EWR/JFK/TEB for fixes such as BIGGY, DIXIE, ELIOT, etc? Please tell me you understand that. PLEASE!
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Oh man, you mean my VFR crossing of EWR slows you all down? Oh the humanity.
 
Seggy said:
I did



You do understand that when the weather goes to crap in the NYC Area they will alternate aircraft departures between LGA/EWR/JFK/TEB for fixes such as BIGGY, DIXIE, ELIOT, etc? Please tell me you understand that. PLEASE!
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I do understand that. When the weather does go to crap though how many departures come out of TEB? I'm. It saying you are wrong but I think you have the priority a little confused. TEB is not going to trump JFK/LGA/EWR in any aspect. Sure they will fit flights in when they can but they will not have 100 airplanes sitting on active taxiways at those airports so two C-172's can get their IFR release.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Oh man, you mean my VFR crossing of EWR slows you all down? Oh the humanity.
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Nah, y'all stay out of the way. I have seen y'all fly over NYC and hasn't slowed anything down. But when you are waiting to depart over BIGGY from LGA and are slotted behind the TEB traffic, THEY are the ones slowing things down.
 
amorris311 said:
I do understand that. When the weather does go to crap though how many departures come out of TEB? I'm. It saying you are wrong but I think you have the priority a little confused. TEB is not going to trump JFK/LGA/EWR in any aspect. Sure they will fit flights in when they can but they will not have 100 airplanes sitting on active taxiways at those airports so two C-172's can get their IFR release.
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You know as well as I do I am not talking about C-172s departing TEB for BIGGY. I am talking about the Slowtation, Hawker, G650, Challenger, etc.
 
Seggy said:
You know as well as I do I am not talking about C-172s departing TEB for BIGGY. I am talking about the Slowtation, Hawker, G650, Challenger, etc.
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So make it clear, you want to hit the guys burning kerosene, going into the same general airspace as your precious 121. Not everyone
 
When you flew out of LGA in the beech how many times did you go direct bigey? Let alone any of the departure gates? I'm only asking because they (NY approach) did things with turboprops they didn't do with jets. It's a question I'm not trying to be cute.
 
Seggy said:
You do understand that when the weather goes to crap in the NYC Area they will alternate aircraft departures between LGA/EWR/JFK/TEB for fixes such as BIGGY, DIXIE, ELIOT, etc? Please tell me you understand that. PLEASE!
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Which fails to explain why I taxied out at TEB, at midnight, and held short of the runway for ONE HOUR, because the controller was saturated with arrivals into EWR that had been delayed at outstations all afternoon because of weather.

And why TEB gets shut down when they go ILS 13 at LGA.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Which fails to explain why I taxied out at TEB, at midnight, and held short of the runway for ONE HOUR, because the controller was saturated with arrivals into EWR that had been delayed at outstations all afternoon because of weather.

And why TEB gets shut down when they go ILS 13 at LGA.
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Oh that is simple. If y'all paid more the funding for the NEXTGEN System would not be such a fight and you would not have been delayed as much as you were. But because the system we are using is from the 1950s, you demand on using it without having to pay, you had to wait.
 
amorris311 said:
When you flew out of LGA in the beech how many times did you go direct bigey? Let alone any of the departure gates? I'm only asking because they (NY approach) did things with turboprops they didn't do with jets. It's a question I'm not trying to be cute.
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On the Q they gave us direct BIGGY (or however it is spelled) all the time.
 
I don't think nextgen is going to help much in NYC. It is already close enough to exchange insurance information. How much closer can they get?
 
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