WestIndian425
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That's not something I think can happen. Cirrus is rather successful.Maybe they're just getting a head start on Cirrus' becoming expensive paperweights sometime in the next few weeksop:
SATSAir shutting down
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TFaudree_ERAU
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I'm not Obama.
Pretty reliable source tells me it ain't gonna be long.
It isn't about success. It's about a critical design flaw.
ComplexHiAv8r
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Can you please PM the source and info. Thanks!
patthepilot
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So true about Cirrus. SATSAir was owned by Cirrus. Which is owned by Arcapita. Go figure.
Would have been nice, but I've seen the SATSAir planes always busy, but that was when I was working on the line 2 years ago.
Would have been nice, but I've seen the SATSAir planes always busy, but that was when I was working on the line 2 years ago.
WestIndian425
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What is this flaw that you speak of? Don't you think Cirrus would look to rectify this flaw?
Besides, the success of the plane despite this "flaw" does speak volumes.
I'm not looking to get into an argument here, but how could so many sales on both the SR20 and SR22 be just on genius salemanship?
I do believe the economy and the business model was what hurt SATSAir. Perhaps if they were able to modify the model when the economy started to take its blows this could have been avoided. I don't know exactly what could have been done, though. If I could get a really good understanding on the business model, that would be a great help.
jhugz
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That picture is epic. I love the two cases of bud in the back of the pic. You always got to wonder about the thought process that goes through people's minds.
How is this not a good idea?
TFaudree_ERAU
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A poor design of the flight controls, resulting in in-flight lock ups. The flaw has contributed to several crashes and several other incidents that were rectified by literally beating the snot out of the side stick.
When the buyer doesn't know anything about airplanes, how hard is it to sell that person an airplane? It's just like my boss that went out and bought a Ferrari. I guarantee he doesn't know jack squat about a Ferrari, its history, lineage or any of the specs; it's a status symbol that attracts attention and nothing more. Think that transaction took "genius salesmanship"?
I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Sad to see this happen - I really wanted them to succeed.
From the consumer side, a LOT of companies (mine included) have cut back on a lot of things like travel expenses in addition to personnel. I'm not surprised that it did.
For what it's worth, as I recall SATSair had fairly high-time requirements for a single-engine piston operation - I think it was somewhere north of 2000-3000TT.
And I also remember echoes in the halls of JC that sounded suspiciously like scoffing when SATSair was hiring pilots a couple years ago. But that was then, this is now....
From the consumer side, a LOT of companies (mine included) have cut back on a lot of things like travel expenses in addition to personnel. I'm not surprised that it did.
For what it's worth, as I recall SATSair had fairly high-time requirements for a single-engine piston operation - I think it was somewhere north of 2000-3000TT.
And I also remember echoes in the halls of JC that sounded suspiciously like scoffing when SATSair was hiring pilots a couple years ago. But that was then, this is now....
WestIndian425
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Okay, so Cirrus hasn't done anything to rectify this? And why would Cessna and Columbia come out with apparent clones? There must be something done right by Cirrus in the design. It's not a total failure.
TFaudree_ERAU
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Cessna has a clone? Cessna bought Columbia and rebranded the 350 and 400 models.
While they look similar on the surface, I'd be willing to bet the Columbia (I refuse to call it a Cessna) doesn't have trim cartridges or a bungee cord rudder-aileron interconnect.
jhugz
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I would imagine if this was really the case there would be an emergency AD that would fix this just like the chute cutter AD. It really would be just so much more fun to play the government conspiracy theory and talk about Cirrus paying off the Fed's though.
TFaudree_ERAU
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Matter-o-fact, SATSAir had one
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20090602X31751&ntsbno=ERA09IA315&akey=1
But yeah, its a conspiracy theory.
Why would an active Cirrus pilot, instructor and mechanic devote just about every waking moment to making sure this non-existent problem is addressed and corrected (not me, someone else)?
TFaudree_ERAU
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PS, I'm upset SATS folded. Now I'm going to have to fly ours a ton more because our company used SATS on a semi-frequent basis.
ComplexHiAv8r
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Do you guys have a G3?
jhugz
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So you still haven't answered my question, if this is such a problem why wouldn't an Emergency AD come out to ground all these planes till the problem is fixed?
ComplexHiAv8r
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It's government, nothing moves fast. I know of a few other AD that took awhile to get out there.
TFaudree_ERAU
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Yes
If a flight control jams, chances are the impact of the crash will break it loose. If there is no evidence of a control jam, it's so much easier to list the cause as "failure of the pilot to maintain control of the aircraft". If the pilot is able to free the controls and land safely, it's so much easier for the manufacturer to blame it on "improper rigging of the flight controls"
