Saab to Q400?

oh and if you are getting a regular line on the Saab, and flying alot building time, and you are going to be a junior Q FO, then you better get used to not flying a lot. You need the time to upgrade, so stick to whatever plane lets you hold a line and fly! Thats what we do this for, to fly!
 
wick81 said:
yep, they become just another airplane really quickly, and quality of life is what makes a difference.. I personally would go the route that offers the quickest upgrade, and right now I would guess that would be on the Saab.
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To go against what I said earlier, because upgrades are taking so long here now, Brew may end up with the time in seat and seniority to upgrade into the Q when the time comes.

I personally am afraid of the street captain scenario happening again at Colgan when the new Qs come online.

Here is what I am afraid of: Current Saab CAs will head over to the Q, current Saab FOs and Q Fos will go to the Saab left seat, some Q FOs who were the first hired when it originally came online will be lucky enough to upgrade into the Q. But if we keep all current Saabs I'm worried that people wont have the time required to fill those left seats, and Colgan will be forced to hire street captains again. I know in 07 and 08 they hired some pretty low time guys, who may not even have the PIC time to upgrade.

I hope Im wrong and this doesnt happen.
 
Those new Q's aren't coming until mid 2010 so that's probably about a year from now when hiring will start. And that means another year to keep building time. Hopefully, the only hiring will be for FO's.
 
v1valarob said:
To go against what I said earlier, because upgrades are taking so long here now, Brew may end up with the time in seat and seniority to upgrade into the Q when the time comes.

I personally am afraid of the street captain scenario happening again at Colgan when the new Qs come online.
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Yeah maybe, but I would take the bet that an FO that is on the lower end of the seniority list would be able to upgrade on the Saab way faster. Plus all the time spent in training going back and forth is a pain.

Hmmm, I don't think the street CA thing will happen again with little to no movement likely until those Q's get here, there will be plenty of guys with time. Then there is the union, which I have no idea what will be in the contract regarding street CA's, hopefully we have a contract by AUG 2010.
 
v1valarob said:
Oh no, it's charted -3 for me.

However 850 isn't a limitation in actuality. I personally can't find the # anywhere. The only limitations I know of are the ones on the chart shown in
the limitations section.
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It's technically not a "limitation", but does appear in the CFM. I believe its either in the expanded checklist or profiles section. Its where ever the procedures for setting cruise power are located. Which, by the way, charted-3% does not appear in the CFM that I have ever seen. (This, of course, assumes that the company has not changed the CFM since I transitioned.)
 
Charted -3 is from the performance chapter of the CFM in the power setting section. Also note that is is 3% of the rated torque, not just chart -3%, which means it may be only 2% in some instances. The 850(860 w a/i) below 15K and 875(885 w a/i) above 15K "limitations" are also in that same section as well as in the expended climb and cruise power section (where it also mentions that is strictly NOT to be used as a guideline for setting power).
 
Brewpilot......if you're living in CMH, the Q could improve your QOL/ commute opportunities. Also, you're 100% correct in the fact the Q IS THE FUTURE of Colgan. As such, making the transition might be a good move for you.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is at any moment, the Q's CMH stuff could be gone and then you'd be back to square one.

Either way, good luck on your decision. I'm in the camp of taking the first upgrade possible. Transition now, fly the Q as an FO and jump back to the Saab for the upgrade. This line of thinking for me is simply for the pay raise that's associated with the seat. FO pay is terrible and the CA pay isn't much better.....but it helps!
 
brewpilot said:
How do you know me?? Anyways, the Q is the future of Colgan. I just want to be there and ready for when the exciting stuff starts happening. The commute should be better to. I am living in CMH, and the Q overnights there, so having an opportunity to over night at home, better airplane, glass time, eventually better pay, sign me up! Thanks for all the advice though
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Whatever!?? Thats what everyone says,.... STPS, SJS, SPS, Blah.... Thats what I think of that
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The QOL issues you're talking about are great, and I agree with those. But "glass time?" That just smacks of STPS. 1000 hours of glass time will get you.....1000 hours of glass time. Don't be misguided into thinking you're gonna be better qualified for a job with it.
 
Cruise said:
Brewpilot......if you're living in CMH, the Q could improve your QOL/ commute opportunities. Also, you're 100% correct in the fact the Q IS THE FUTURE of Colgan. As such, making the transition might be a good move for you.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is at any moment, the Q's CMH stuff could be gone and then you'd be back to square one.

Either way, good luck on your decision. I'm in the camp of taking the first upgrade possible. Transition now, fly the Q as an FO and jump back to the Saab for the upgrade. This line of thinking for me is simply for the pay raise that's associated with the seat. FO pay is terrible and the CA pay isn't much better.....but it helps!
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There is talk of losing CMH? Overnights, or flying there period? And yes, I do the transition and if it comes up of course I will jump to the saab as a capt. By the time I trans I will have over a 1000 hrs in the saab so I think my decision to trans is going to work out better for me in the long run since now where is hiring and prob not anytime soon. I have to expect to stay here at Colgan for a while.
 
brewpilot said:
There is talk of losing CMH? Overnights, or flying there period? And yes, I do the transition and if it comes up of course I will jump to the saab as a capt. By the time I trans I will have over a 1000 hrs in the saab so I think my decision to trans is going to work out better for me in the long run since now where is hiring and prob not anytime soon. I have to expect to stay here at Colgan for a while.
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As of now, Colgan is not doing any Q service to CMH. All done by ExpressJet, except for one mainline flight a day. You can check Continental.com to verify this. This is not to say we won't pick up CMH trips in the future. I just flew with a CA the last 2 days who commutes from there, BTW.
 
Qgar said:
As of now, Colgan is not doing any Q service to CMH. All done by ExpressJet, except for one mainline flight a day. You can check Continental.com to verify this. This is not to say we won't pick up CMH trips in the future. I just flew with a CA the last 2 days who commutes from there, BTW.
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FYI, I checked ahead in eRes (CAL employee res site) which shows all the flights on a given day.

No Colgan flights to CMH till March. Then from March/April (that's as far as I looked) there will be 5 XJT flights and one Colgan flight a day. The Colgan flight is in the middle of the day replacing the CAL 737 flight.

Weekends ahead look to be a 2XJT/1CAL flight (roughly), I didn't see Colgan.

I think CMH-EWR is a doable commute. Plenty of seats, jumpseats etc. Many xjt/cal employees go to CLE although I do recall many CMH commuters on ewr flights.
 
Baronman said:
FYI, I checked ahead in eRes (CAL employee res site) which shows all the flights on a given day.

No Colgan flights to CMH till March. Then from March/April (that's as far as I looked) there will be 5 XJT flights and one Colgan flight a day. The Colgan flight is in the middle of the day replacing the CAL 737 flight.

Weekends ahead look to be a 2XJT/1CAL flight (roughly), I didn't see Colgan.

I think CMH-EWR is a doable commute. Plenty of seats, jumpseats etc. Many xjt/cal employees go to CLE although I do recall many CMH commuters on ewr flights.
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I looked at the awards for Feb and it looks like there is a couple of flights to CMH on the Q. So I hope it doesnt go away cause that would not be cool, but I am sure there is plenty of flights that are commutable to EWR
 
So explain to me why you would go to Q F/O if you have the opportunity to take a Saab Capt. position.

I just commuted with one of our F/Os. He told me about a buddy of his he CFIed with. They both went to their regionals at the same time. He went to GLUX and his buddy went to QX. He upgraded in 8 months and his buddy upgraded in 7 years. Both ended up at Alaska, but HE had the PIC time much faster.

The result. He's safe and his buddy is on furlough.

Just a word to the wise. Get that PIC and get OUT.
 
Dont forget also the 12 month seatlock. Unless you can pretty much be assured that you wont upgrade in the saab for 12 months from dash 8 checkride then its not a wise move.

If and when you can transition to the dash 8 you may be less than a year from upgrade and you will only be holding yourself back as junior guys pass you up in upgrade because you seatlocked yourself. No one cares about SIC glass time...or any SIC time for that matter. Upgrade in the saab and then transition as a dash 8 CA when you can hold it...now you would be making some sense.
 
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