Ryan Air Fires Pilots for Speaking Out About Safety

I know most dont allow it. I meant more on how they treat their pilots in general. It must be pretty bad there if these pilots are speaking out knowing they will likely lose their job.
 
Ryan Air is obviously a crap hole of a company, but I agree the pilots should get fired for this. It is defamatory and sensationalist. There's a time to be a whistle blower, but that's not what this sounds like to me.
 
rframe said:
Ryan Air is obviously a crap hole of a company, but I agree the pilots should get fired for this. It is defamatory and sensationalist. There's a time to be a whistle blower, but that's not what this sounds like to me.
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US Air pilots took out a full page ad in USA Today whining about being told to carry minimum fuel, I don't remember any of them being fired.
 
rframe said:
Ryan Air is obviously a crap hole of a company, but I agree the pilots should get fired for this. It is defamatory and sensationalist. There's a time to be a whistle blower, but that's not what this sounds like to me.
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How is it defamatory? It seems like a pretty legit safety complaint that has caused a few emergency situations.
 
SeanD said:
How is it defamatory? It seems like a pretty legit safety complaint that has caused a few emergency situations.
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Publicly saying that your employer is unsafe is designed to give them a bad name, whether your motive is to hurt them, motivate change, or educate the public.. you're giving them a bad name (possibly deserved). The quote in the text said something like "they skirt the rules"... ok does that mean they are breaking the rules? If so, file with the IAA or EASA or your union, or whoever it is that can actually do something about this. If they aren't breaking rules but instead there's a philosophical rift over who decides how much fuel gets carried (what this sounds like to me)... ok, legitimate discussion so take it up with the union and/or quit and go somewhere that respects PIC authority.

I cannot think of many jobs where you could go out on public TV on Sunday saying "yeah my company follows the rules, but the public isn't safe using their services" and expect to have a job Monday morning.
 
rframe said:
Publicly saying that your employer is unsafe is designed to give them a bad name, whether your motive is to hurt them, motivate change, or educate the public.. you're giving them a bad name (possibly deserved). The quote in the text said something like "they skirt the rules"... ok does that mean they are breaking the rules? If so, file with the IAA or EASA or your union, or whoever it is that can actually do something about this. If they aren't breaking rules but instead there's a philosophical rift over who decides how much fuel gets carried (what this sounds like to me)... ok, legitimate discussion so take it up with the union and/or quit and go somewhere that respects PIC authority.

I cannot think of many jobs where you could go out on public TV on Sunday saying "yeah my company follows the rules, but the public isn't safe using their services" and expect to have a job Monday morning.
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Its seems like they have been trying to get the attention of their regulators for awhile but to no avail. What would you suggest they do if that fails? Im not saying appearing on this documentary without anonymity was the best career choice but taking the issue to a more public platform doesnt strike me as being defamatory.
 
SeanD said:
Its seems like they have been trying to get the attention of their regulators for awhile but to no avail.
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Then they probably had the legal fuel reserves on board? Which is part of why I think maybe this is a philosophical issue, not a legal/rule-breaking complaint.


SeanD said:
What would you suggest they do? Im not saying appearing on this documentary without anonymity was the best career choice but taking the issue to a more public platform doesnt strike me as being defamatory.
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I dont really care what they do. Their career, their burdens... I'm just saying, if you go out in the public and say your employer is not safe, yeah they are probably going to fire you and I wouldn't be surprised by that. The fact that they are doing it anonymously pretty much tells me they know they should/would get fired for doing it.
 
Well they're based in Ireland for a reason!

Keep your mouth shut, get back to the salt mines, ya bloke! :)
 
drunkenbeagle said:
US Air pilots took out a full page ad in USA Today whining about being told to carry minimum fuel, I don't remember any of them being fired.
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It was published by the Union so it was slightly more protected than something a line pilot might say on there own.
 
Is anybody really surprised here? Any U.S. airline would do the same. Any U.S. company at all would do the same. Almost all large companies have media policies. Why the amazement?
 
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