Russian MiG crashes in Eden Prairie (KFCM)
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I don't know much about this kind of stuff, but im guessing the chute is an emergency feature correct?
The Fez
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It can be used for emergencies, but they are typically used for fighter-type aircraft with high landing speeds. The chute helps slow the aircraft before the pilot starts using the brakes, preventing hot brakes and blown plugs or even brake fires.
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So its something that is used for every landing and then repacked?
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
On the 21 yes.
SteveCostello
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Looking at the enlarged photo on the news site, there looks to be a fair amount of bent metal. Looks like the MiG went up the embankment in the photo and spun almost 180 on the way up the hill, spray dirt on the road. I see a bent starboard wing tip, some twisted fairings on the right main, etc. I don't imagine any of that is going to be cheap to repair. Hope this plane see the air again soon. Glad to see the pilot doing okay, though.
Can't imagine what it costs to insure something like that...
Can't imagine what it costs to insure something like that...
The Fez
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Inverted answered for that specific aircraft. But it depends on a few things, mainly weight and runway length. The B-52, for instance, carries a drag chute for operating on (relatively) shorter runways or high weights, but if it has 15,000 feet of concrete to use and has empty tanks it doesn't need it.
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Good to know, thanks!
exneophyte
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They added some details later in the day
Hope she is wrong, but word on the street is that it is permanently grounded.
Hope she is wrong, but word on the street is that it is permanently grounded.
Springer
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We used them on every landing regardless of rwy length or a/c weight.
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
Glad he is alright!
exneophyte
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I hate to say it, but the crowd at the air expo was a little small. I would put money that it would have been better attended if they could have left the wreckage in place for the event.
inigo88
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Sad to hear the plane is a write off, but I think he'll be allright. Late sixties MiG-21s are cheap. There's one on controller right now for $95,000. I always thought the issue with having a MiG-21 was finding the parts, finding new engines, finding the service manuals, and most importantly, finding an A&P who can read Cyrillic! 
Edit: Well that's funny. The MiG-21 for sale on controller for $95,000 is the same aircraft I've volunteered to work on in the past at the San Diego Flight Museum at Brown Field. She hasn't flown in some time so maybe a change of ownership with breathe some life back into her.
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...MIG-21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm?
Edit: Well that's funny. The MiG-21 for sale on controller for $95,000 is the same aircraft I've volunteered to work on in the past at the San Diego Flight Museum at Brown Field. She hasn't flown in some time so maybe a change of ownership with breathe some life back into her.
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...MIG-21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm?
///AMG
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We flew a jet into brown one weekend, and the motors had barely spooled down before I was out and down the ladder making a bee line for the MIG. 2 old guys were in the hangar, just turning wrenches and let myself and the other guy I was with climb all over the thing. Pretty cool to see in person. I remember him saying "careful boys, the seat is hot"
They actually came and talked to our squadron on a Fri afternoon officers call over beers about the -21. I guess the guy had flown it into some trees a few months before we stopped by, and it was still hard down for some resultant damage from that. Real nice airplane, looked like an absolute death trap to me though........
117 used them for nearly every landing. But drag chutes have crosswind limitations too, 15 knots IIRC, as well as wet runway limits. So we'd practice no-chute landings, which were dicey because upon touchdown, you had to lower the nose briskly to the runway and commence braking. There is no such thing as aerobraking on the 117. Since we did no-chute landings so infrequently, the brakes would smoke from built up grease and crap on them, and if not at home station, tower would assume we were hot brakes, when we usually weren't. Also, we HAD to jettison the chutes on the runway....normally on the side, as we couldn't turn off the runway with them, lest they get wrapped around the twin tails and cause a heck of a lot of damage to the end-caps. This would also play hell with a field that wasn't familiar with us, as it would shut down and require a FOD check for their runway; but we didn't go to other fields unscheduled except in emergency, so it usually wasn't a problem. But at homestation, base ops only picked up the chutes at the end of the day. So as last guy on the flight schedule, on rollout, I'd have to shuck and jive around various chutes all over the runway end as I looked for a clear spot to power up and jettison mine. Good times.
When I was sitting SOF duty in the tower at HMN, we had one guy have a pack of boars run across the runway just downfield from him as he touched down and deployed his drag chute. Quick thinking SOB jettisoned the chute, hit full power, and lifted off again, missing the large pigs who had stayed on the runway. Pulled closed at departure end, and brought it around for a no-chute landing to a different runway.
///AMG
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Landing fast jets on a runway is always kind of nerve racking in my mind. Maybe it is my particular steed, but I never really breathe easily until I am down to taxi speed and safing up the seat. Friend of mine cartwheeled a Hornet off the runway at Miramar and came within inches of his life when the muddy ground allowed the thing to spin like 12 times across 1000 ft of grass and a ditch instead of flipping over (which would have likely been the end of his life). Just the other night landing at KNPA in fresh standing water after a late night/early AM storm, I was about 1 second from initiating a pretty scary blower go around when the thing started to go sideways on my initial rollout. That and the wonderful tendency for one of our funky designed mains to fail at 80 kts or so is enough to keep the blood pumping until I am at pedestrian speed. It's interesting how safe you tend to feel at 80-100 kts, until you think about how quickly you would be dead if the thing went sideways and flipped over.