Russia terrorism against US bound airliners

ClearedForOption said:
4th Amendment, Bill of Rights.

(Penn & Teller used to sell a metal engraved version to keep in your pocket that you could give to the TSA when you "hand over your rights" after the metal detector beeped.)
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Doesn't apply since there is no right to fly via private commercial carrier. TSA isn't depriving you of a liberty when they require you be subjected to screening. If the police decided to stop and search you randomly as you drove out of Colorado and into Kansas, then you'd be subject to unlawful search (assuming no warrant or probable cause), as they'd be denying your civil right to travel across state borders legally by means of your own personal vehicle.
 
Ummm. Back to the original topic. This should be a huge effing deal.

Saddam's ties to actual acts of terror was a lot shakier than this, and look what we did.

Also, assuming the plot worked, what's the end game? Further piss off and consolidate the west's resolve?

This makes no sense, even for Putin.
 
Fixtur said:
Ummm. Back to the original topic. This should be a huge effing deal.

Saddam's ties to actual acts of terror was a lot shakier than this, and look what we did.

Also, assuming the plot worked, what's the end game? Further piss off and consolidate the west's resolve?

This makes no sense, even for Putin.
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It's boundary pushing. He's discovered that he can keep carrying out these actions against the West without reprisal, so he's motivated to see how far he can go before his hand gets slapped.

I'd love it if Kamala on day two of the job sends B-52's on a non-stop roundtrip from Shreveport to the Ukraine border, and drops hell on any Russian forces across the line.
 
Murdoughnut said:
Doesn't apply since there is no right to fly via private commercial carrier. TSA isn't depriving you of a liberty when they require you be subjected to screening. If the police decided to stop and search you randomly as you drove out of Colorado and into Kansas, then you'd be subject to unlawful search (assuming no warrant or probable cause), as they'd be denying your civil right to travel across state borders legally by means of your own personal vehicle.
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But if you do get pulled over, they can confiscate any personal belongings with no due process, and you have to sue them to get it back.
 
NovemberEcho said:
That we know of. Whole bunch of stuff deep inside Russia been blowing up lately. It’s easy to pin it on Ukraine but who’s to say there weren’t other hands involved?
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We have put all kinds of limits on what Ukraine can do with the weapons we’ve sent them because we’re afraid of confrontation. There’s no way we’re involved with anything inside Russia.
 
Roger Roger said:
We have put all kinds of limits on what Ukraine can do with the weapons we’ve sent them because we’re afraid of confrontation. There’s no way we’re involved with anything inside Russia.
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Oh it could be something as simple as “oops dropped these plans to a Siberian refinery, sure hope Ukrainian intelligence doesn’t find it”. There can be a wide chasm between what we do publicly and covertly
 
Aeroflot flew a 777 daily to JFK from Moscow right up until we hit them with sanctions when they invaded Ukraine. I don't know what happened to it, but I recall my friends there posting about one of their planes essentially being abandoned at the airport. I imagine the US impounded it.
 
greg1016 said:
Aeroflot flew a 777 daily to JFK from Moscow right up until we hit them with sanctions when they invaded Ukraine. I don't know what happened to it, but I recall my friends there posting about one of their planes essentially being abandoned at the airport. I imagine the US impounded it.
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that wasn’t the US government, the Port Authority cops booted it because they parked at the curb too long
 
NovemberEcho said:
Oh it could be something as simple as “oops dropped these plans to a Siberian refinery, sure hope Ukrainian intelligence doesn’t find it”. There can be a wide chasm between what we do publicly and covertly
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Like....blowing up a huge underwater pipeline?
 
Maybe “polling” and “Boeing” sound similar in Russian. Creeps.
 
Fixtur said:
Ummm. Back to the original topic. This should be a huge effing deal.

Saddam's ties to actual acts of terror was a lot shakier than this, and look what we did.

Also, assuming the plot worked, what's the end game? Further piss off and consolidate the west's resolve?

This makes no sense, even for Putin.
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They’ve already conducted multiple arsons across Poland and Germany which were reported in open source.

Russian sabotage isn’t new, and the lengths gone to ignore it are pretty substantial.


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Lawman said:
They’ve already conducted multiple arsons across Poland and Germany which were reported in open source.

Russian sabotage isn’t new, and the lengths gone to ignore it are pretty substantial.


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A couple of ammunition factories in Slovakia (or maybe Slovenia?) making ammo for Ukraine burned down last week under suspicious circumstances
 
NovemberEcho said:
A couple of ammunition factories in Slovakia (or maybe Slovenia?) making ammo for Ukraine burned down last week under suspicious circumstances
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They just rolled up a team of “suspected terror” cell in Poland outside of Poznan. No big deal… just where the V Corps headquarters is.

No reason to be concerned.


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Not at all. I was using it as an example that there was a time when we would fabricate evidence of alleged potential terrorism to justify an invasion, but here there is actual evidence of actual terrorism and we don't hear a peep.
 
Fixtur said:
Not at all. I was using it as an example that there was a time when we would fabricate evidence of alleged potential terrorism to justify an invasion, but here there is actual evidence of actual terrorism and we don't hear a peep.
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Yeah...and I'd like to think its because our national conscience has learned a thing from the last 30 years of US foreign policy.
 
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