Nothing is ever, ever worth a trip to the Big Brown Desk because you've already lost.
Runway Incursion at JFK Last Night.
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Nothing is ever, ever worth a trip to the Big Brown Desk because you've already lost.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I filed about 3 ASAP reports prior to that occurring at BHM for pretty much the exact same reasons that event occurred, and I know I wasn't the only one filing them. The procedures that allowed for that had been in place for a long time and I'm REALLY glad it didn't end up worse than it did.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
One does not stop at O'Hare... heard a controller "teaching" a private jet that "never stop here... if you make a wrong turn I will correct the mistake but unless you are about to hit someone don't stop moving." I guess rules don't apply in ORD?!
arkflyr
Well-Known Member
I have to ask, what happened at BHM? I used to be based there flying cargo, just curious.
digduggy
Well-Known Member
We saw the same with a Global Express at FRG... Guy snipped back unable, we will call you when we clear the runway...
Controller was giving taxi instruction IN THE FLARE!
fholbert
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Just the opposite here, I was departing.
Bellanca 01B cleared for immediate takeoff, after departure turn right heading XXX (about 45 degrees).
About 25 knots before flying speed San Diego Lindbergh Tower is pushing me to start the turn.
"Tower, 01B usually waits until the wheels are off the ground before we start a turn."
In the towers defense it was dark and he may have assumed I was a Scout or Citabria type Bellanca . A Viking stalls at 70knots.
JeppUpdater
Well-Known Member
UPS flight 1354:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_1354
The NTSB CVR transcript is worth quite a read, including the very experienced crew discussing their own levels of tiredness and the (at the time relatively new) Part 117 rest rules and the cargo cut out exempting them from it.
An incredibly sad crash that should have ended the cut out immediately. But the dead can't lobby like big brown and purple can.
arkflyr
Well-Known Member
Oh I know about that one, I was asking about the opposite direction traffic one that was referred to in the post that I quoted. Looking back I don't think I was very clear.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
I've done an opposite direction approach into Knoxville. Didn't seem that scary or dangerous.
JeppUpdater
Well-Known Member
Nope. That was all me. Need to have less windows open and use my brain a bit more.
But I'm sick so...I'll just blame that.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Guard rotor traffic heading departing 6. Jet traffic arriving 24.
It's all about the sequencing.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Sorry, makes sense now; we landed 5R, they landed 23R.
arkflyr
Well-Known Member
I used to use 6 for takeoff as much as possible it was a much shorter taxi from JetSouth, now Atlantic West.
RDoug
Well-Known Member
O'Hare stops traffic all the time, every day. The difference is that they stop it at other airports.
Sorry. Couldn't resist that setup.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
The accident flight crew's schedules, if I recall the NTSB report correctly, would have complied with Part 117.
It's not if it is done properly...
Baronman
Well-Known Member
As would the BUF Colgan's schedule correct? They would have still been legal to operate the flight. One could argue that they wouldn't have had such a level of fatigue due to long term poor schedules. The issue of trans-con commuting and then operating wasn't touched.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Nor should it have been. That said, when I commuted (not even trans-con), I would almost always be in the night before a morning show instead of trying to wing out.
Being fit for duty is YOUR responsibility, as is having the maturity to call off when you're not. No amount of regulatory fiat will change that.