Running a 135

The old adage of "the only way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a big one," is perhaps most applicable to running a small 135 company. The amount of personal effort required to make an operation successful will consume you. It's really tough and as fun as it may sound there are so many better ways to enjoy your aviation career.
 
You can write your own certificate for roughly free. It won't be, but...

Single pilot certificates usually go for less than 10k anymore. So that better be a 190k pa18.

A locked-in customer base also has value.

In most successful businesses, fair value of the business is many times more than the book value of the assets.
 
The old adage of "the only way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a big one," is perhaps most applicable to running a small 135 company. The amount of personal effort required to make an operation successful will consume you. It's really tough and as fun as it may sound there are so many better ways to enjoy your aviation career.

I'll be honest, I think this is just what owners of 135 operators say to keep the competition at bay. Yeah, it's more work than say, working for Brand X 121 Airline...but almost every owner of a 135 I've known that had his or her niche and was way in debt to buy the business or airplanes was a lot more comfortable than any pilots I've ever seen, and typically seemed very fulfilled. The guys pulling their hair out bought the business on credit and were having to rob Peter to pay Paul. If you go into the business debt free and keep the overhead low, it doesn't seem to bad. Of course, to do this, you have to have a large sum of money sitting around to begin with...

One of the big problems with operating charter is that it is highly cash-flow intensive, and you typically pay for the service well before you get reimbursed for it. For example, I know that doing flying for Uncle Sam (which can a nice bit of money to fall back on) sometimes have as much as a 6 month time period between doing the charter and getting paid for it. So, if you do a bunch of BLM flying you might be super profitable on paper, but have to close the doors because you've hot no money in the bank to pay the pilots and keep the lights on. Similarly, even charter flying for companies might have a 30 day lead time on getting paid. Realistically, while it's harder to do right, scheduled flying is some of the "easiest" from a cashflow standpoint - unfortunately, providing excellent customer service requires massive overhead, substantial work, and sometimes you have to strategically lose money on a flight to not lose customers. You will work your ass off no matter how you do it, but the best advice I can give is to manage your cashflow, treat your customers right, and do things safely. In the long run, you won't have a business if you screw up any of those three.

The other thing to think about is your "return on capital investment." If you're only in it for the "money," you might be better served simply investing the $200k. Still for a lot of people (including myself) the allure of running my own shop is almost overpowering. For awhile, it's all I wanted to do, and one day, I likely will - just got to get out of student loan debt and get an airplane.
 
A locked-in customer base also has value.

In most successful businesses, fair value of the business is many times more than the book value of the assets.

Most of the 135 certs on craigslist aren't really businesses as much as they are blank certificates that guys built because they thought they wanted to run a 135.
 
You can write your own certificate for roughly free. It won't be, but...

Single pilot certificates usually go for less than 10k anymore. So that better be a 190k pa18.

That is what the DO at my last job does for 'fun'. He has copies of his current 135s ready for sale. Just give him cash, and the info he needs to finish it such as names for the management, etc... And you'll have a turn key 135 quickly.


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A built up business wouldn't mean much to me, unless it was in DLG.

The value of the labor of the certificate is probably only a couple grand, if you were going to buy a certificate, I wouldn't pay more than $15k for it, and only if it was a full 135 with opspecs you liked, etc.

EDIT: In the ad it looks like he has a basic certificate.
 
Most of the 135 certs on craigslist aren't really businesses as much as they are blank certificates that guys built because they thought they wanted to run a 135.

I hear that. It sounds like the previous owner had built up relationships to the point where he has a full client list. That's worth way more than any piece of paper.
 
I hear that. It sounds like the previous owner had built up relationships to the point where he has a full client list. That's worth way more than any piece of paper.
A client list is nothing more than blue sky promises. Unless you're an established name and have a reputation expect most of that business to jump to another operator. The more successful route is to get hired on and get established with the clients and then buy the company out. I have seen this work more often than not vs being the guy from out for town buying a company.
 
A client list is nothing more than blue sky promises. Unless you're an established name and have a reputation expect most of that business to jump to another operator. The more successful route is to get hired on and get established with the clients and then buy the company out. I have seen this work more often than not vs being the guy from out for town buying a company.

Though to be fair, in JNU and GST, everybody is a "buy out" at this point, no?
 
A client list is nothing more than blue sky promises. Unless you're an established name and have a reputation expect most of that business to jump to another operator. The more successful route is to get hired on and get established with the clients and then buy the company out. I have seen this work more often than not vs being the guy from out for town buying a company.
I wouldn't be the guy from out of town, but I would be the new kid on the block, trying to fill a niche. In all reality I will probably fly the sled through the summer and learn more about what I like/don't like.
 
I'll be honest, if I were local to DLG, I doubt I'd be trying to make money with a cub. I'd by myself a Cherokee 6 and fly scheds to Togiak. Get dat sweet medicare travel reimbursement.
 
I'll be honest, if I were local to DLG, I doubt I'd be trying to make money with a cub. I'd by myself a Cherokee 6 and fly scheds to Togiak. Get dat sweet medicare travel reimbursement.
I think the 6/sled market is saturated, off the top of my head I can think of 6 operators/owners.
 
I'll be honest, if I were local to DLG, I doubt I'd be trying to make money with a cub. I'd by myself a Cherokee 6 and fly scheds to Togiak. Get dat sweet medicare travel reimbursement.

If the reliability of passengers who get "free" travel is anything like here, better to buy the airplane and burn it for insurance money and walk away. Also the DOT is still working cracking down on "scheduled" basic operators and commutet ops guys without economic authority. So have to get a commuter ops cert, DOT economic authority, etc. State medicade/medicare also has a prefrence for Medallion carriers
 
Another note of caution. Many 135 certificates are not maintained properly. Sometimes they sit idly and getting ignored, meanwhile a host of new regulations come out every year requiring training manual changes, or GOM changes. If there hasn’t been the work on maintaining the certificate, then the new owner may have to practically rewrite a lot of manual anyways before even getting a checkride. I have seen people throw away a certificate and just start from scratch.

I wrote two certificates myself and both been approved within a reasonable time. But its almost a full time job maintaining them!
 
If the reliability of passengers who get "free" travel is anything like here, better to buy the airplane and burn it for insurance money and walk away. Also the DOT is still working cracking down on "scheduled" basic operators and commutet ops guys without economic authority. So have to get a commuter ops cert, DOT economic authority, etc. State medicade/medicare also has a prefrence for Medallion carriers

Medallion is no big deal to get, to be honest, put in a little elbow grease and develop a risk assessment program and you've got the bare bones of Medallion - it's actually a good program if it's done right...if not it's just lipstick on a pig.
 
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