Rules for Non-Military

mjg407

Well-Known Member
Rules for the Non -Military (IE hippie lowbrow types)
Just in fun guys, just in fun


Dear Civilians, 'We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation has many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.
For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas where we would like your butistance:

1. The next time you see any adults talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem - kick their but.

2.When you witness, firsthand, someone burning the American Flag in protest - kick their but.

3.Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a disabled veteran kicks their but.

4.(GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDUs) or Jungle Fatigues, telling others that you used to be 'Special Forces,' and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay when you were seven years old. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your but kicked.

5.Next time you come across a Chair Force member, do not ask them, 'Do you fly a jet?' Not everyone in the Chair Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an but-kicking (children are exempt).

6.If you witness someone calling the US Coast Guard 'non-military', inform them of their mistake - and kick their but.

7.Next time Old Glory (the US flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her - of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe but-kicking.

8.Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans, and we all bleed the same, regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command is to include our Commander-In-Chief (CinC). The President (for those who didn't know) is our CinC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives meet All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. If you keep asking us the same stupid questions repeatedly, you will get your but kicked!

9.'Your mama wears combat boots' never made sense to me - stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore could kick your but!

10. bin Laden and the Taliban are not Communists, so stop saying 'Let's
go kill those Commies!' And stop asking us where he is! Crystal
balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me- if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers, let me know, so I can go kick their but!

11. 'Flyboy' (Chair Force), 'Jarhead' (Marines), 'Grunt' (Army), 'Squid'
(Navy), 'Puddle Jumpers' (Coast Guard), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Using them could get your but kicked.

12. Last, but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get it's but kicked.'
'It's the Veteran, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.'
'It's the Veteran, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.'
'It's the Veteran, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.'
'It's the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.'
 

Hacker15e

Dunning–Kruger Observer
Personally, I'm not really against flag burning or protesting. In fact, I'm sort of for it in a strange way.

IMHO, that's what makes America great. People get their butt kicked (or worse) for doing that kind of stuff in China or North Korea...but that's the type of thing that is amazingly allowed in our free republic. I think that protesting against your government is actually highly patriotic, as it's the one thing that is distinctly American (in that it is unregulated and protected). Even in our closest ally Great Britain you have to get a permit from the government to protest!

BTW, the Coast Guard isn't the military. They're in the Department of Homeland Security...and before that they were in the Department of Transportation.

Although what they do is cool and important, it's not part of the military.
 

IslandFlyer

Well-Known Member
Personally, I'm not really against flag burning or protesting. In fact, I'm sort of for it in a strange way.

IMHO, that's what makes America great. People get their butt kicked (or worse) for doing that kind of stuff in China or North Korea...but that's the type of thing that is amazingly allowed in our free republic. I think that protesting against your government is actually highly patriotic, as it's the one thing that is distinctly American (in that it is unregulated and protected). Even in our closest ally Great Britain you have to get a permit from the government to protest!

BTW, the Coast Guard isn't the military. They're in the Department of Homeland Security...and before that they were in the Department of Transportation.

Although what they do is cool and important, it's not part of the military.
Hacker desesrves to get his butt kicked.:crazy: I don't think it should be tolerated at all.....but then again, thats just me.:rawk:
 

Hacker15e

Dunning–Kruger Observer
Hacker desesrves to get his butt kicked.:crazy: I don't think it should be tolerated at all.....but then again, thats just me.:rawk:
Any particular reason why you feel this particular form of free expression "shouldn't be tolerated"?
 

IslandFlyer

Well-Known Member
Any particular reason why you feel this particular form of free expression "shouldn't be tolerated"?
Don't get me wrong I am only expressing my opinion and it is to be viewed only as that. But as a current active duty member I just feel that even though it is a "form of free expression" I just don't believe that this particular form is acceptable.

I'm an army brat myself and strongly believe that our flag should be handled at all times with the utmost respect regardless of political standpoints. I don't believe that any American protesting for whatever reason, should have the right to burn our Nations Flag.

Not trying to start an argument, just stating my beliefs.

Our opinons differ, but we're all still part of the good ol' USA! :D
 

Hacker15e

Dunning–Kruger Observer
But as a current active duty member I just feel that even though it is a "form of free expression" I just don't believe that this particular form is acceptable.
Well, if we're going for the moral high ground here, I happen to also be on active duty...and I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. In addition, I've put my pink arse in harm's way in two different theaters of combat in defense of the ideals in that document.

So, I happen to feel quite strongly that the freedoms established in that document (okay...in the amendments to be technically correct) are FAR more significant and important than respecting a symbol. Seriously. That's all it is -- a symbol.

There's never been a right not to be offended (which is ostensibly what happens when someone 'disrespects' the flag). But I can show you in black ink on parchment in Washington DC where there is a right to free expression.
 

IslandFlyer

Well-Known Member
Well, if we're going for the moral high ground here, I happen to also be on active duty...and I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. In addition, I've put my pink arse in harm's way in two different theaters of combat in defense of the ideals in that document.

So, I happen to feel quite strongly that the freedoms established in that document (okay...in the amendments to be technically correct) are FAR more significant and important than respecting a symbol. Seriously. That's all it is -- a symbol.

There's never been a right not to be offended (which is ostensibly what happens when someone 'disrespects' the flag). But I can show you in black ink on parchment in Washington DC where there is a right to free expression.
You win :nana2:
 

Hacker15e

Dunning–Kruger Observer
You win :nana2:
Well, it's not a matter of win/lose...it's a matter of knowing what you're fighting for.

We are the only military on the planet that swears its allegiance to a DOCUMENT rather than a PERSON. It's that important.

I still think that the ability to do "offensive" things -- like protest against the government or desecrate a flag -- is a form of patriotism that is really unappreciated. When you don't exercise your rights, you're in danger of losing them.
 

Lefty

Well-Known Member
done on purpose so as not to offend the mods.
"First, if you know the word is going to be filtered out by the profanity filter, well, don't use it."

Straight from Doug himself...i dont think butt is a censored word...and if anybody gets offended by the word butt....they need their butt kicked....
 

Lefty

Well-Known Member
Any particular reason why you feel this particular form of free expression "shouldn't be tolerated"?

Taken from the official Transcripts of the Bill of Rights:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I disagree with burning the flag because I interpret that it is, in fact unlawful.

Burning of property is traditionally classified as arson...now if you can explain "peaceable arson" then I might change my views.
 

MikeFavinger

Hubschrauber Flieger
I don't understand... I'm allowed to burn my own property as long as it doesn't endanger others. If I own an American flag and throw it in my fireplace, it that unlawful?
 

Lefty

Well-Known Member
I don't understand... I'm allowed to burn my own property as long as it doesn't endanger others. If I own an American flag and throw it in my fireplace, it that unlawful?


Well now Ian, that depends on the state...some states say that it is illegal to destroy your property in certain situations. I suppose that I could research your state laws and get back to you.

Another point, is the American flag really yours or is it America's?

Im off to the planning room...I be back for more later.
 

MikeFavinger

Hubschrauber Flieger
Well now Ian, that depends on the state...some states say that it is illegal to destroy your property in certain situations. I suppose that I could research your state laws and get back to you.
No idea. But if I get mad at my stapler and throw it in my fireplace I don't think too many people would beat down my door to arrest me.
Another point, is the American flag really yours or is it America's?
If I purchased it, it's mine. Like any other symbol it has meaning to certain people. In the end though, it's just cloth. It's manufactured by companies who turn a profit from selling it. Sometimes, these materials and the labor used to make them come from other countries.

I'd like people to honor and respect the flag, but I think the best we can do is lead by example. I also echo Hacker's comments and say it says a heck of a thing about our Nation when people can burn their country's flag without fear of arrest or persecution.

Im off to the planning room...I be back for more later.
When you guys getting the Foxtrots?
 

Lefty

Well-Known Member
When you guys getting the Foxtrots?

Im gonna think and reply to u later about the rest of ur post, but in regards to that question....the answer is TBD, not in the talks now...


Freedom is an amazing thing, when given to responsible citizens...I think burning of a flag is irresponsible, it's disrespectful no matter what your opinion is of your governments actions.

*your is used implying the general population...not ian
 

germb747

Well-Known Member
Not active duty....in the reserves. But regardless, I agree with Hacker. I don't like it when people burn the American flag, and I'd never dream of doing it myself, but if somebody wants to burn it--that's their right under freedom of speech which I swore to uphold.

That's a special flag and Hacker knows that as much as anyone--I don't think I fully realized that until late one night in Washington State when it was right up there with the POW flag (you know what I'm talking about ;)), but the important thing is what the flag represents, not the flag itself.
 

Lefty

Well-Known Member
Not active duty....in the reserves. But regardless, I agree with Hacker. I don't like it when people burn the American flag, and I'd never dream of doing it myself, but if somebody wants to burn it--that's their right under freedom of speech which I swore to uphold.
Burning a flag has nothing to do with Right to free speech...

The first amendment (posted above) says that people have the right to religion, speech, PEACEFULLY assemble and petition their government.

The Bill of Rights and The Constitution were designed around a responsible population who should at least respect fellow citizens.

If things are so bad, they have to burn a flag, symbolically trampling over so much history...then maybe they should exercise their right to find a better government, in a distant land...
 

surreal1221

Well-Known Member
It's amusing that this little e-mail used the incorrect spelling of butt.

The ignorant ones who fall for this type of mindless spewing of rhetoric is also simply amusing.

But yeah - whatever. :whatever:

The Bill of Rights and The Constitution were designed around a responsible population who should at least respect fellow citizens.
The Bill of Rights and The Constitution were designed as well around a responsible Government.

Of which, we have lacked for many decades, perhaps a century.

But clearly the education level here can realize that that last sentence is a subjective statement, not an objective one.
 
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