RJ drags wingtip on landing

So basically the wings are like the bumpers at bumper bowling!

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nagylyk said:
Each of those airlines will tell you they have the world's best pilots....Boeing must be at fault then, right?
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They think and want to believe they do with their Hogan tests and such but what they have is a bunch of fallible humans just like the rest of us. They also think that they have a bottomless pool of applicants to choose from. They don't.
 
USMCmech said:
+1

This isn't the first jet to drag a wingtip, and it won't be the last. It has happened at majors, regionals, freight, military, and corporate. Just because there wasn't a big crosswind that day doesn't mean that thermal activity, wake turbulence, or even an ill timed sneeze couldn't have bit the crew in question.

Any pilot who looks at that pic and thinks it can't happen to them is the real danger.

It could always be worse...
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Are you seriously equating the infamous Hong Kong checkerboard approach to a McAllen Texas visual?
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
On the CRJ 900 with a main wheel on the ground, the wing will touch the ground at approximately 12.5 degrees of bank.
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I'm digging back a bit but it was considerably lower on the 700 (I know... this was a 900). Also, the 12.5 was with all the wheels on the ground. Geometry reduces the angle between the wingtip and the ground a certain amount with every degree of "deck angle".
 
BobDDuck said:
I'm digging back a bit but it was considerably lower on the 700 (I know... this was a 900). Also, the 12.5 was with all the wheels on the ground. Geometry reduces the angle between the wingtip and the ground a certain amount with every degree of "deck angle".
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True. Well, the 12.5 degrees is the case when the nose and one main is on the ground. If both mains are on the ground, you can't get a wing down. :)

In my case, we pulled the data, and the FDR showed 12.5 degrees bank, and we didn't strike the runway. The pitch was relatively low though, and the main hit the runway just as the bank angle was at its maximum. We got lucky, no matter how you look at it.

Things can happen to anyone.
 
I especially appreciated the reporter taking the time to physically point out WHICH wing was dragging on the ground. From the photograph, it was really difficult to tell...o_O
 
OK, let me use this post to ask you guys something:

How do you re-motivate yourself to this profession when something like that happens to you?

A few months ago i bent metal. Nothing high profile, nothing that hasn´t happened before on the fleet, and it will certainly happen again. It was a truly honest error. Poor flying technique 5 seconds prior to touchdown after a perfectly stable approach. The airline had ops and foqa to look at the flight, and after interviewing myself and the other pilot, we were released back to line (no need of additional training but the event was put on our employee files). The plane went back to the line 30 hours after the event after only minor maintenance. I don´t think i ever had overconfidence, but mine has gone to the ground since then. Even though i am slowly building confidence on myself, flying has never been the same again. I can´t stop thinking how worse it could have been (for my career and for the airline). I still like the job and the employer, but i just can´t grow enthusiasm again.

I am still embarrassed, but i want (and need) to get over with. Any motivational stories to share?
 
Butters Stotch said:
OK, let me use this post to ask you guys something:

How do you re-motivate yourself to this profession when something like that happens to you?

A few months ago i bent metal. Nothing high profile, nothing that hasn´t happened before on the fleet, and it will certainly happen again. It was a truly honest error. Poor flying technique 5 seconds prior to touchdown after a perfectly stable approach. The airline had ops and foqa to look at the flight, and after interviewing myself and the other pilot, we were released back to line (no need of additional training but the event was put on our employee files). The plane went back to the line 30 hours after the event after only minor maintenance. I don´t think i ever had overconfidence, but mine has gone to the ground since then. Even though i am slowly building confidence on myself, flying has never been the same again. I can´t stop thinking how worse it could have been (for my career and for the airline). I still like the job and the employer, but i just can´t grow enthusiasm again.

I am still embarrassed, but i want (and need) to get over with. Any motivational stories to share?
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You're human, mistakes will happen. I'll say that again, mistakes will happen. You either learn from your mistakes or you don't. The guys that don't learn, usually find themselves changing careers or going to work for a shotty operation that turns a blind eye.
 
If people are Jerry McGrumpyPants about electronic screening in aviation jobs, they only need to look at any other profession that has to screen large amounts of applicants for high skilled labor.

Our parents are wrong. We're not special.

Get to work! :)
 
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