RJ Course
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Bumblebee
Commodore
crickets...
Bumblebee
Commodore
the mysterious friend...
no response folks.
citrus
lurkin'
Sorry not gonna divulge his personal information on the web.
Take it for it is, believe or not doesn't really matter to me personally.
I'm merely trying to offer someone insight and not trying make a decision for them.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I wouldn't divulge his personal information... and everyone already knows who I am....and where you can find me. just look at my avatar. Problem is, lots of folks say they have a "friend" who "x,y,z" but can't back it up with real data, and with 13 posts you have a ways to go before you have any real credibility....I hope you stay around long enough to build it, but there are a bunch of very new users who come on here and make unsubstantiated claims then disappear. Nothing personal.
citrus
lurkin'
like everything on the internet, take it with a grain of salt.
i have no commercial interests with ATP, nor have I ever been their customer.
Neither does it personally affect me whether my friends gets the position or not.
I'm not trying to misguide anyone.
We all know there is a lot hype/puffery that goes on in aviation - I have no intention of walking down that road.
i have no commercial interests with ATP, nor have I ever been their customer.
Neither does it personally affect me whether my friends gets the position or not.
I'm not trying to misguide anyone.
We all know there is a lot hype/puffery that goes on in aviation - I have no intention of walking down that road.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I understand, it is easier to take advice (which is what you were dispensing) from someone who has real facts or data, not just "hey, I have a friend" ...you understand
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
For me, the answer was a resounding 'yes.' As far as companies go, many regionals will take you with lower times than what is published, so in that sense, they do care. It really depends on your situation, how much time you have, money, etc. I would recommend the ALLATPs RJ course. Do not waste your time here asking about RJ courses. You'll get brainwashed answers from people here, where I'd venture to say that 70% of them are non-airline associated. I did a RJ course, and was successfully hired as a result of it. PM me for info if you have any questions.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Up to you, dude. Lots of "no"s are from boring old guys with career jobs and boatloads of experience in the industry. All the "yes"es are from guys who are flying JEEEEETTTSSSSS, or well, TURBOPROOOOPPPPPSSSS for the regionals. To me, the math is simple. You want to fly for the regionals, right? LISTEN TO THE GUYS AT THE REGIONALS and plunk down a stack of money tomorrow!
I would like to do this program. What type of experience did you have while there. Did it make you well prepared for ground school when you were hired.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
OK, I quit. I'm going to go count the hours in my logbook. "Ahhhhhh...ONE HAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahhhhhhh....TWO HAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahhhhhh...THREE...."
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Re: Sierra West Airlines Hiring Lear FO's
Originally Posted by 29singlespeed
All -- to each is their own. We all have different ways of networking and this is NOT a pay for training gig. We still have not heard what the current pay is. To that end, SIC is just that SIC and how many of us have asked a friend in our network for the chance to fly right seat in whatever.
I am not for the pay scale, but consider it an internship if they will offer someone with less than 500 hours to get trained -- as sketchy as it is. MBA, Law, whatever they range from paying for the 'credit' to decent wages. This is no different in my book.
I pulled this from a post in March. Along with my response the single speed 29ers quip about working for substandard pay.
I'll risk repeating myself. Don't work for substandard pay. A day on the bike is always better.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I didn't do ATPs RJ course, I did the now-defunct Jet U's RJ transition program. The Jet U course was basically the entire newhire program at Pinnacle. Systems, CPTs, sims, and checkride. Once you passed, you got to interview. ATPs RJ course is shorter, but the main thing you can get out of it is being hired at lower minimums as opposed to off the street. How much flight time do you have? Consider me, for example, I knew I wanted to start at a regional. So I prepared for that by getting my Private, then Instrument, and then Commercial initial in a multi-engine. I didn't bother with a Comm-Single or CFIing, because I wasn't doing that route. I passed the Commercial checkride, did the Jet U course, and the next entry in my logbook after my Commercial checkride was my first flight on IOE at Pinnacle. That's good progress straight to my goal. Today, it's a little different because even with these RJ courses, you need more than just a wet Commercial at 200-250 hours. At ATPs, Eagle will take you with 500TT/100ME time. How much time do you have?
In my opinion, the problem with this type of program is that it skips over the most important part of becoming a good pilot - gaining experience. The course is intended to get people experience in one thing only, and that is in passing ground school and sim training. The problem with that is that pilots flying airliners should be well rounded and have experience in doing things like flying in weather, understanding and working with ATC, knowing how to deal with a wide variety of people in the cockpit, working through maintenance issues, dealing with customers, becoming proficient with faster aircraft in IFR ops, handling in-flight systems issues, on and on and on...
RJ courses are liked by airline personnel departments solely because they CAN help pilots get through initial ground school and sim. Period. It's all about money for the airlines, and has nothing to do with making pilots that are an asset in the cockpit in real world flight operations. It CAN be a short cut to the right seat, but it is also a short cut past valuable experience. Besides, some of the most fun you can have flying is in all of the "time-building" phases.
After listening to so much bitching from the regional airline guys I wonder why anyone in their right mind are in such a hurry to get there? Take your time, become a true pilot's pilot, and enjoy the journey. That's my advice.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I did do the ATP RJ program, and was told that if I did well I would get an interview...I did not. There is no guarantee for an interview. I did gain some value from doing the program, but I paid much less than you will. Use the money to get more multi time.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I have the grade sheet....I should have received an interview....I did not. smartassDidn't do well? Or didn't get an interview?
Or both?
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Bumblebee said:
I didn't realize you took the class. Surprised they didn't Change the moto to : "If it's good enough for Dale...."
Bumblebee
Commodore
I changed from the biggest ATP kool-aid drinker to putting an ATP sticker in my toilet...it makes a great target!