Restricted ATP question.

[BravoHotel]

I am reading various sources regarding the R-ATP. Some state 1000 hrs TT, 50 ME with a four year degree in aviation. I have a Professional Aeronautics degree from ERAU, my ratings are from ATP. Other sources I read state you need to get your ratings from a 141 school through a University? Any clarification would be appreciated.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I believe your training would have needed to be through ERAU

 

[BravoHotel]

I believe your training would have needed to be through ERAU

Darn it.

 

[at1024]

Express jet is hiring with 25 multi. Not sure how that works with the 50 hour requirement.

 

[motormadness24]

Express jet is hiring with 25 multi. Not sure how that works with the 50 hour requirement.

They're having people log the sim time I guess

 

[at1024]

They're having people log the sim time I guess

I guess. It's just weird because I have friends at other airlines who said the FAA said no to that.

 

[middies10]

More specifically, would need to have received your commercial, multi engine, instrument from an accredited aviation university along with 60 credits of FAA approved academic coursework.

 

[JustinS]

More specifically, would need to have received your commercial, multi engine, instrument from an accredited aviation university along with 60 credits of FAA approved academic coursework.

Yes an accredited part 141 flight program for ratings.


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[Soku39]

Express Jet is getting people to R-ATP mins in the sim for all kinds of stuff, be it night, XC or whatever. Up to 100 hours of level D sim is legally towards the requirements of an R-ATP/ATP

I guess. It's just weird because I have friends at other airlines who said the FAA said no to that.

Maybe xjet has a special allowance? It seems like they have allowances for all kinds of non standard stuff that the FAA has signed off on, both training wise and operationally on the line.

 

[at1024]

Express Jet is getting people to R-ATP mins in the sim for all kinds of stuff, be it night, XC or whatever. Up to 100 hours of level D sim is legally towards the requirements of an R-ATP/ATP



Maybe xjet has a special allowance? It seems like they have allowances for all kinds of non standard stuff that the FAA has signed off on, both training wise and operationally on the line.

Must be. I know that my friends at republic said the FAA had either fined or was threatening to fine them for doing that.

 

[USMCmech]

Maybe xjet has a special allowance? It seems like they have allowances for all kinds of non standard stuff that the FAA has signed off on, both training wise and operationally on the line.

More likely, the FSDOs haven't figured out what to allow or disapprove.

 

[Soku39]

More likely, the FSDOs haven't figured out what to allow or disapprove.

I don't know/care. I'm not a training program administrator at an airline, nor as a pilot do I need the sim time for any experience to qualify towards my RATP. What I do know is that it plainly states that you can count the 100 hours of sim towards the ATP. Of course I believe that reg was written in the spirit of multiple sim events over years at recurrent or while receiving different type ratings over a long length of time (i.e. it was written before an R-ATP was a thing, and just sorta got grandfathered in under the current reg). I also believe the intent is that the airline hires you and you show up to training in a "ready to go" meeting minimums state, however seeing as how they're desperate they've found what I actually think is a way to use the reg to their advantage in spite of it completely disregarding the "spirit of the reg".

Must be. I know that my friends at republic said the FAA had either fined or was threatening to fine them for doing that.

Right, though as with most of regs in FOMs/SOPs the rules they have are more restrictive than the actual reg itself, so I'm not saying it in a negative way. (oh god am I defending a regional airline, what is my life coming to).

 

[rd757]

I have a R-ATP, used the sim credit towards it. Does that make me a crappy pilot?

 

[BravoHotel]

I have a R-ATP, used the sim credit towards it.

So I could go sit in a box for 100 hours, tool around in a ultra light for 150 hours and somehow tie my flight training I recieved from ATP (because seniority is everything) to my can of Riddle thirst (because it is made from real rudders) and fly for a regional at 1000 hours? Sweet! Sign me up!

 

[Soku39]

Well considering that for the past however many eons guys could show up with 250 and do the same job...

 

[rd757]

Well considering that for the past however many eons guys could show up with 250 and do the same job...

I should say that I qualified for the R-ATP with 1500, not the 1000hr nonsense.

 

[Soku39]

I should say that I qualified for the R-ATP with 1500, not the 1000hr nonsense.

I qualified at 750 and am getting it at 900 and change, say what you will

 

[SquatThrust]

Bumping this thread to clarify what I think I understand about the R-ATP as it relates to my situation; if anyone can tell me if I'm right or wrong in this I'd appreciate it:

I'm a low-time guy right now (335hrs TT and ~150hrs xc) and it is looking like I may be nailing down my first flying job this month (not official yet). I earned a degree from a university that is on the FAAs list of blessed schools and degrees, however, I did all my flight training up to multi-commercial through a local pt61 school. I meet the age req. for the standard ATP.

If I'm reading the regs correctly, in my situation, I can earn the R-ATP at 1500hrs total time and 200hrs XC and all other normal ATP requirements. Does this sound correct? If so, that helps me a great deal, because if this job comes through, I won't be getting much XC time out of it, but I have access to SE piston aircraft that I can fly for the cost of gas and just buy my last 45hrs of xc time that way.

Finally, as an aside, what is the 'limitation' that is placed on the holder of an R-ATP? Thanks.

 

[sixoneseven]

If I'm reading the regs correctly, in my situation, I can earn the R-ATP at 1500hrs total time and 200hrs XC and all other normal ATP requirements. Does this sound correct?

From what I understand, in your situation, you can earn the Restricted ATP at 1500tt and thats it. XC, Night, PIC, Instrument don't play a role because it's a restricted ATP. If you wanted an unrestricted ATP you would basically need 1500tt, 500xc, 250pic,100night, 75isnt.

 

[Zondaracer]

From what I understand, in your situation, you can earn the Restricted ATP at 1500tt and thats it. XC, Night, PIC, Instrument don't play a role because it's a restricted ATP. If you wanted an unrestricted ATP you would basically need 1500tt, 500xc, 250pic,100night, 75isnt.

The way I understand it:

You can earn the restricted ATP at
1500TT
200 cross country
250 pic in airplanes
100 night
75 instrument
100 cross country PIC
25 night PIC

FAR 61.160:
(f) A person who has 1,500 hours total time as a pilot, 200 hours of cross-country flight time, and otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of §61.159 may apply for an airline transport pilot certificate under this section.