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azaviator08

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It is okay to fly through restricted areas when they are not active. Am I correct? We have one that is only active by notam and it is hardly ever active. If it isn't notam'd its okay to fly through I believe. Just want to make sure I am correct.
 
I don't know what the technical right answer is on this one, but I would advise that you always contact the controlling agency if you ever plan to cross the Restricted zone. I wouldn't mess around with airspace violations.
 
You've still got to get permission:

§91.133 said:
(a) No person may operate an aircraft within a restricted area (designated in part 73) contrary to the restrictions imposed, or within a prohibited area, unless that person has the permission of the using or controlling agency, as appropriate.

(b) Each person conducting, within a restricted area, an aircraft operation (approved by the using agency) that creates the same hazards as the operations for which the restricted area was designated may deviate from the rules of this subpart that are not compatible with the operation of the aircraft.
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OhioStatePilot said:
You've still got to get permission:
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Originally Posted by §91.133
(a) No person may operate an aircraft within a restricted area (designated in part 73) contrary to the restrictions imposed, or within a prohibited area, unless that person has the permission of the using or controlling agency, as appropriate.

(b) Each person conducting, within a restricted area, an aircraft operation (approved by the using agency) that creates the same hazards as the operations for which the restricted area was designated may deviate from the rules of this subpart that are not compatible with the operation of the aircraft.

It still seems to imply what the OP stated. I still would not fly through a restricted area.
 
If you look at the chart you will see that some areas are restricted continuously, others are restricted at certain published times and others are restricted by NOTAM.

A bit redundant to say, but those that are restricted by NOTAM are only restricted when they are NOTAM'd as restricted. And those that are restricted at certain hours are only restricted at those hours. IOW, if they are not active ('hot"), they are not "restricted areas".

Of course, one must always be aware that a NOTAM can suddenly appear.
 
You never really get permission to fly in a restricted area, they advise if it's active or not, however they don't say 'you're cleared'.
 
mooneyguy said:
Originally Posted by §91.133
(a) No person may operate an aircraft within a restricted area (designated in part 73) contrary to the restrictions imposed, or within a prohibited area, unless that person has the permission of the using or controlling agency, as appropriate.

(b) Each person conducting, within a restricted area, an aircraft operation (approved by the using agency) that creates the same hazards as the operations for which the restricted area was designated may deviate from the rules of this subpart that are not compatible with the operation of the aircraft.

It still seems to imply what the OP stated. I still would not fly through a restricted area.
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Like a MOA, Restricted Areas are also noted on the Sectional as to their specific times of operation. Some are "continuous", others actually have times associated with them. The local Restricted Area closest to PHX is the R-2310A/B/C area which overlies the Florence artillery range for the AZ Army Guard, and is noted as "intermittent by NOTAM, 48 Hrs in Advance". If you check it out with the FSS and it isn't hot or otherwise in use, then it's considered to not exist, for all intents and purposes.
 
bLizZuE said:
You never really get permission to fly in a restricted area, they advise if it's active or not, however they don't say 'you're cleared'.
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When I lived in NC, Cherry Point "cleared" me when I called up wanting to fly through R-5306A.

"Cherokee 71M, caution, unmanned rockets being fired one-one miles north of your position."

"wat..."
 
Douglas said:
When I lived in NC, Cherry Point "cleared" me when I called up wanting to fly through R-5306A.

"Cherokee 71M, caution, unmanned rockets being fired one-one miles north of your position."

"wat..."
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This is not unheard of, transit clearance through hot Restricted areas can and does happen. If you take a gander at a PHX sectional and look towards Gila Bend at the northeast side of the HUGE Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range, you'll see R-2305 just south of the Gila Bend AF Auxiliary Field. Transiting R-2305 is the only way to get from GBN down State Route 85 to transit to the town of Ajo. So clearances through 2305 can routinely be had, they just have you transit below 2000 AGL, or above 10,000 MSL. There's even the box next to the R-2305 boundary (east of GBN) that states:

"Permission for flight through R-2305 must be secured from Gila Bend AF Auxiliary Field on 127.75 or 120.55. Pilot must have current route map and Gila Bend altimeter setting"

http://skyvector.com/#49-121-3-1281-2145
 
MikeD said:
Like a MOA, Restricted Areas are also noted on the Sectional as to their specific times of operation. Some are "continuous", others actually have times associated with them. The local Restricted Area closest to PHX is the R-2310A/B/C area which overlies the Florence artillery range for the AZ Army Guard, and is noted as "intermittent by NOTAM, 48 Hrs in Advance". If you check it out with the FSS and it isn't hot or otherwise in use, then it's considered to not exist, for all intents and purposes.
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Right, Like Mark said its the notams that "suddenly appear" that would keep me from blowing through a charted restricted area that I was unfamiliar with.
 
In addition to the limits of time and NOTAM already mentioned, a restriction typically has an altitude restriction.
 
mooneyguy said:
Right, Like Mark said its the notams that "suddenly appear" that would keep me from blowing through a charted restricted area that I was unfamiliar with.
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Which is a very good point........and that's assuming the NOTAM makes it out. I've seen Restricted areas go hot and a NOTAM notification slip through the cracks and not make it out. More commonly, I've seen where Restricted areas are NOTAMd for a certain time, but due to situational issues, they go over that time when it should've gone cold, and no one notices.
 
Part 73 Subpart B
No person may operate an aircraft within a restricted area between the designated altitudes and during the time of designation, unless he has the advance permission of
(a) the using agency described in 73.15; or
(b) the controlling agency described in 73.17.

You can fly through restricted areas when inactive. To find out about the activity of the area check with FSS. If it is in operation, NO-GO.
 
mojo6911 said:
I think you have this confused with MOA.
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Nope. Generally speaking, ATC will only advise the status of the restriced area. In rare occasions as previously noted, they will clear you though an active restricted area.

A MOA requires no advisory of status from ATC while VFR.
 
LS1 Life said:
Part 73 Subpart B
No person may operate an aircraft within a restricted area between the designated altitudes and during the time of designation, unless he has the advance permission of
(a) the using agency described in 73.15; or
(b) the controlling agency described in 73.17.

You can fly through restricted areas when inactive. To find out about the activity of the area check with FSS. If it is in operation, NO-GO.
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It's only NO-GO if you don't call and get permission first :)
 
bLizZuE said:
Nope. Generally speaking, ATC will only advise the status of the restriced area. In rare occasions as previously noted, they will clear you though an active restricted area.

A MOA requires no advisory of status from ATC while VFR.
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As quoted above, you need to receive permission to enter, which is essentially a clearance. You are just arguing semantics.
 
what about a warning area? It has all the same hazards as a restricted area but it can't be restricted because of it's in international waters right?
 
at1024 said:
what about a warning area? It has all the same hazards as a restricted area but it can't be restricted because of it's in international waters right?
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Yes, and you check their status in the same ways you'd check on a Restricted Area.
 
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