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Oh, it didn't take long to bring him out of the cage. This is a perfect example of someone who just can't move on with life. He continues to lurk in this forum to throw out any crap he can. Mav is exactly who I am talking about. He is one of the three people who continue to bash Pan Am. He will be here forever. While the rest of us are doing something productive with our lives, he will still be building his 20 hours a month and complaining on the Pan Am forum. Congratulations Mav!

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Yep, if I were you guys, I guess I would have to resort to insults too, since there is nothing factual you can say to defend the school.
 
I'll back anything up with facts. What do you want to know? And you sure didn't insult me and my school when you referred to us as the axis of evil. Hypocrit.
 
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I'll back anything up with facts. What do you want to know? And you sure didn't insult me and my school when you referred to us as the axis of evil. Hypocrit.

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Yeah, it was "greedy axis of evil". You can post the facts again, but it's a waste of time. It seems like a it's a monthly thing where mav starts this and you have to post the facts again.
 
at Pan Am you have to pay up front,....and make tons of interest off your loan in the year it will take you to get your money back. Essentially, the worse they treat you, the more money the can get out of you. It's just business.

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I would be VERY careful about those statements if I were you.

First of all, I am taking into consideration the source of this untruthful statement but in the interest of those non-students reading this...I will respond.

The STUDENT sets up his payment schedule and disbursement schedule of loan funds from their funding source.

Pan Am at NO time has control over ANY scheduling of disbursement funds other then to remind the student when the funds are due as per their agreed upon schedule written in their contract ( signed copy given at time of enrollment) Usually funds are disbursed over 4 payments which averages every 2 months as they proceed thru the program and use the money in their flight account. A student may get a copy of his account at ANY time from dispatch, Student Services, the Pilot Shop or from the accounting dept. All monies received are placed into the students flight account and deducted as they use the funds. This method allows the student to "see" how their funds are being used and for what purpose.

Also, all accounts are audited and any unused funds are returned within 60 days of disenrollment, NOT a "year" as you claim.
 
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The STUDENT sets up his payment schedule and disbursement schedule of loan funds from their funding source.

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WRONG !!! At least when I was there, I was NEVER given ANY type of control over when disbursements were payed to the school. It was already written into the contract that Key Bank would disburse 3 seperate payments at certain, preset dates regardless of what monies were spent or not spent. The STUDENT NEVER sets up his own payment schedule when he/she goes through Key Bank (it may be different through other sources), thats a preset thing that Pan Am arranged with Key Bank...always remember, at Pan Am the STUDENT NEVER has control over his own funds because they are payed up front, Pan Am can and does take and put back, at will, and it is up to the student to be vigilant to make sure Pan Am does not take advantage of the students available funds.


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Pan Am at NO time has control over ANY scheduling of disbursement funds other then to remind the student when the funds are due as per their agreed upon schedule written in their contract ( signed copy given at time of enrollment)

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This statement is somewhat true but not completely. When students use the Key Bank loan, the contract is prewritten and the scheduled disbursements are already in the contract. I assume this was a prearranged agreement between Key Bank and Pan Am. Students are never given the opportunity to question or to change the contract in any way.


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A student may get a copy of his account at ANY time from dispatch, Student Services, the Pilot Shop or from the accounting dept. All monies received are placed into the students flight account and deducted as they use the funds. This method allows the student to "see" how their funds are being used and for what purpose.

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This statement is true, however, when I was there a lot of mistakes and false charges were being deducted from students accounts, there were alot of complaints from the students and Pan Am implemented a policy that students were to check their accounts and any discrepancies were to be dealt with within two weeks or the charges were to stand....A student should NOT have to watch and guard their account so closely if they are attending a reputable and honest school...this only warns the student that Pan Am may charge their account some bogus charge and IF the student does not catch it in time then Pan Am gets away with the charge. Any reputable business will correct a mistake regardless of when it was made. I am not saying that this happens on purpose but it sure does look funny when alot of weird charges show up on various students accounts and it is up to the student to get Pan Am's mistake corrected....as everyone knows, some students will catch the "mistakes" and some will not, it IS possible for Pan Am to make money off of this bogus policy.


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Also, all accounts are audited and any unused funds are returned within 60 days of disenrollment, NOT a "year" as you claim.

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This statement is also true...to a point. My funds were returned right at the 60 day limit. As we all know from statements from other former students this is NOT always the case. Again, as we all know, Pan Am will deduct from your account (which you have no control over) a disenrollment penalty up to $2000.00 depending. It will also take an ungodly and unnecessary amount of time for Pan Am to audit your account and send the remaining funds back to Key Bank. Remember, if you question the "accountant" about your funds at any time before the 60 day limit, more than likey she will fumble around for excuses and then get frustrated with your legit question and tell you it is none of your business what they do with YOUR money. This IS the way I was treated, I just hope it doesn't happen to other people too. All of the above statements are prime examples of the shady business practices at Pan Am. Certain things are clearly stated in contracts and policies but there is plently of room for Pan Am to manipulate and operate in between the lines in the grey area, thats how they get you and thats their SOP. Just avoid this school and your chances of getting screwed over will be greatly reduced.
 
Yet again. One dissatisfied customer out of the thousands that have attended Pan Am. I repeat, this is the exception. I don't agree with how FLDiver was treated but I don't believe this to be how everyone is treated.
 
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Yet again. One dissatisfied customer out of the thousands that have attended Pan Am. I repeat, this is the exception. I don't agree with how FLDiver was treated but I don't believe this to be how everyone is treated.

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You are correct by stating that NOT everyone is treated in the manner that I was...but for prospective students...why take the chance that you will be treated like I was? There is way too much money involved to take a risk like that.
 
i never had control of my account at any point. case in point: i needed $5k fronted to me to put the down payment on my condo i purchased in Fort Pierce, so i called panam and they set it all up so that i got the $$ when i requested it. they were nice about it and did what i asked, but i most definetly had no contact with key or anyone outside of panam to adjust my account. they handled everything.

so to be truthful, you really only have control over the ammount of money you initially take out from Key.

another funny story is the student who took out the $80k and then came to find panam "adjusted" their account to $100k...basically he took out $20k extra which was unknown to him. in all truth i was told this by a friend of the person while i was at panam, so take it with a grain of salt i guess. just a scary situation if totaly true though, huh?
 
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another funny story is the student who took out the $80k and then came to find panam "adjusted" their account to $100k...basically he took out $20k extra which was unknown to him. in all truth i was told this by a friend of the person while i was at panam, so take it with a grain of salt i guess. just a scary situation if totaly true though, huh?

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Hummm...If this did happen (and I am not saying that it did) it could have been a legit mistake, but then again...thats the shady side of Pan Am that I speak of...things happen in between the lines that are questionable and ultimatey YOU the student are responsible.

This brings to mind something that recently happened. My girlfriend and I just got satellite TV, when we were on the phone with the salesperson, we were offered the "warranty" package in case anything (lightening) happened to the equipment. We declined the warranty and the salesperson said OK. When the tech came to the house to install the system there was a $40 charge for the "warranty" on the sales slip. When we questioned the charge, the tech said that salespeople always put the charge on there. He said "you would be surprised at how many people don't catch it or just change their minds about it". We sent him away without a sale at all...thats shady and dishonest on the part of the company....remind you of another company with similar practices??????
 
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