Reporting an Employer to ICE?

TXaviator said:
i was under the impression it was not legal to work here if only possessing a student visa. maybe you can clarify?
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Yes, i think we were posting almost simultaneously above, so you might not have seen my post #34 above. My wife can give more detail than I could, as she had many friends on student visas working with her at U of A while doing her Doctorate work, but it is very much legal for folks to work on a student visa, within certain limitations

TXaviator said:
and right, it is only maddening because so many people are fighting for jobs right now, if jobs were plentiful, i probably wouldnt care ;-)
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Absolutely understandable, and I'm right with you on that! :)
 
and my final thought, im still pissed if he is working legally.... not at the guy, but at our own freakin government if they are GIVING AWAY skilled jobs to foreign people, when we have an ABUNDANCE of qualified workers here seeking work...

now that thought REALLY gets my blood boiling.

(i am starting to sound like Lou Dobbs here!)
 
TXaviator said:
and my final thought, im still pissed if he is working legally.... not at the guy, but at our own freakin government if they are GIVING AWAY skilled jobs to foreign people, when we have an ABUNDANCE of qualified workers here seeking work...

now that thought REALLY gets my blood boiling.

(i am starting to sound like Lou Dobbs here!)
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Now you're angry about the right thing! :)

I'm ok with the guys who are playing by the rules...whether the rules need changin' is a topic for a whole different thread
 
The ICE official is probably going to ask himself, "Self? Why didn't the former employee report this while he was employed?"

I'd probably try to focus on re-securing employment first and everything else as a 'hobby'.
 
Even though you worked there knowing this, you would have never known that they were doing such a thing unless you worked there.

I say report the company, but make sure you write a detailed novel of the instance in your report. Also get a few instructors comments off the record of how they feel about the situation.

Never would I have thought that instructor jobs were being given to illegal aliens here in America. Make you wonder "How low can aviation get"?
 
TXaviator said:
and my final thought, im still pissed if he is working legally.... not at the guy, but at our own freakin government if they are GIVING AWAY skilled jobs to foreign people, when we have an ABUNDANCE of qualified workers here seeking work...
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I agree. There's way too many of our own guys on the street to be giving jobs away to those with student visas, legal or not. I would say it needs to be restricted to a work visa, if even that.

Not to sound mean, but when opportunity is spread a little thin it might be a good idea to "close the doors" to a few things.
 
flyingmaniac said:
Even though you worked there knowing this, you would have never known that they were doing such a thing unless you worked there.
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"And this wasn't reported earlier because why? You (the OP) didn't find these practices out until the last day you were there? Is that what you're trying to get us to believe?"

Thats the way of thinking he might very well run into.
 
MikeD said:
"And this wasn't reported earlier because why? You (the OP) didn't find these practices out until the last day you were there? Is that what you're trying to get us to believe?"

Thats the way of thinking he might very well run into.
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Regardless of my spite, if they are doing something illegal they should be punished for it correct?
 
jhugz said:
Regardless of my spite, if they are doing something illegal they should be punished for it correct?
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Agree. Just make sure you have facts and aren't acting purely out of spite. That's all. And be prepared for questions of what you knew and when you might have known it......
 
MikeD said:
"And this wasn't reported earlier because why? You (the OP) didn't find these practices out until the last day you were there? Is that what you're trying to get us to believe?"

Thats the way of thinking he might very well run into.
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A person could state that they were fired because you stated that you were going to report the issue to ICE. The company didn't believe you so they fired you.

Also you were in development of the issue at hand and researching it during the time of being layed off.

GEE, I'M OLD SKOOL NOW!!!!!!!
 
Some thoughts...

If this company is acting illegally, it will catch up to them eventually. And when it does you can just shrug your shoulders and say "Who knew?" (all the while enjoying an inner satisfaction)

Suppose what they are doing is perfectly legitimate. Now you're just a disgruntled employee raising hell. It won't reflect well on you.

Suppose it is illegal, and in their own act of revenge, the company implicates you. Now you've got a boatload of problems.

You didn't care before you got fired, now all of a sudden it's an issue to you. This is about revenge. Let it go. And learn from this. Next time if you suspect something illegal, you're responsibility as a human living in this world is to stop evil where you find it, regardless of its impact on you.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Most student visas do, in fact, allow one to work.
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but wouldn't a condition of that probably be that you are a.....wait for it.... STUDENT?

this guy is not studying anything, not working on any ratings, not attending any classes.... (to my knowledge, i mean, i only see him every day all day and share a room with him, but i could be wrong....i guess.)

working fulltime, as an imagery pilot, in a position that could and should certainly be filled by a domestic, citizen pilot who is looking for work.

(if he is playing by the rules, fine, but i suspect they arent, and if they are, then the rules need changing. asap.)
 
flyingmaniac said:
A person could state that they were fired because you stated that you were going to report the issue to ICE. The company didn't believe you so they fired you.

Also you were in development of the issue at hand and researching it during the time of being layed off.

GEE, I'M OLD SKOOL NOW!!!!!!!
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Would that be the truth? :)
 
MikeD said:
. And be prepared for questions of what you knew and when you might have known it......
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It doesn't matter. Thats not the (assumed) crime being committed.

Remember what Khan said: Revenge is a dish best served cold. (la vengeance se mange très-bien froide).

Exodus 21:24; Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:2

Let us not forget what that dead dude Tupac said:Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin (female reproductive organs).

Rock on, dude. Get your revenge on. Take your time. Gather all evidence. Gain insiders confidence. Cast your net deep. Plans within plans within plans. If you're good enough you will never have to identify yourself to any authorities as you puppet will unwittingly will have his strings pulled to do your dirty work for you. Sweet, sweet revenge.






Side rant: People, if you're going to invoke "Karma" please understand what it is first. It its not, repeat, not My Name is Earl!!!
 
TXaviator said:
but wouldn't a condition of that probably be that you are a.....wait for it.... STUDENT?

this guy is not studying anything, not working on any ratings, not attending any classes.... (to my knowledge, i mean, i only see him every day all day and share a room with him, but i could be wrong....i guess.)
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Nope, not necessarily a requirement at all. Foreign doctors working full time as residents in US hospitals? That would often be a student visa. Student visas are frequently used for gaining experience in one's field. That often includes internships/work experience.

A lot of "student" visas, like the J-1, are used for cultural exchange (working in the US and nothing else, no studying). Before you get too upset about that, remember that other countries allow US students to do the same thing.
 
MikeD said:
And be prepared for questions of what you knew and when you might have known it......
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What sort of preparation is required? Are they going to charge him with "failing to report an Auslander"? What's wrong with "yeah, I knew about it, but I didn't want to get fired. Then I got fired."?
 
Exchanging room and board is a form of payment, even if no cash changes hands. Will ICE get busy and deport the CFI's for training foreign students- prolly in their own language? Hell, the Agency boys don't pick up any people unless they catch em running across the border anyway. With estimated 13 million illegals here already, if they couldn't fill a bus EVERYDAY- they shouldn't even get their paycheck to start with.
The CFI's have visas of a sort- I don't see a great deal of enthusiasm from the agency.
If there are discrepancies and unsafe acts being committed, I suggest the FAA- they have a lot sharper teeth.
What does matter is the resume you will submit in the future. Standing up for safety is one thing, but what exactly will the School have to say about canning you to set an example. That would be my concern and prolly that of prospective employers.
 
Jhugz,

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'd walk away, and keep the lesson learned. If you did tell the Feds, and you ended up being wrong, the company could always slap you with liable, slander, and malicious or false prosecution.

Never screw with someone that has access to better connections and has more money that you do. You'll lose every time.:dunno:
 
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