Reporting an Employer to ICE?

I would agree with the above post. I mean if they are signing people off for checkrides than their names are being put through the FAA database because the FAA keeps tracks who signs off who. I'm pretty sure the FAA would catch on that these are illegal workers. I could be wrong though.
 
Even if you don't report it, chances are you're not the only one that notices all this is going on. Sooner or later it will catch with them.

It makes me angry though because there are others out there that are more deserving of these jobs.
 
jhugz said:
Then why is there a need to pay them under the table? This is straight from the horses mouth btw...

and if I'm wrong then it's a minor inconvenience, if I'm right well then you know the rest of the story...
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Do what you want to do man, but I am simply saying that there are provisions for foreign students to work. From the top of my head I know that certain visas like the J1 student exchange visa and the F1 visa have provisions that allow students to work. The M1 visa may have some provisions as well but I am not sure. All these could be visas that your students may have and diiferent rules may apply. People may talk of "under the table" but at the end of the day there are either laws that were violated or not. I suggest you vist uscis.gov and see the rules for visas for clarity before making such huge accusations.Then again, as I said before, do what you want but be informed that just because someone is on a student visa does not neccesarily mean that they are working illegally.
 
JEP said:
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Regardless of the reason, you didn't report it. Not trying to bag on you, but if you thought it was 'wrong enough', you would have reported it....
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Immanuel Kant over here. I've let lots of semi legal things slide when I worked for different companies. If they terminated my relationship with them my silence would no longer be guaranteed.

Moral relativism, the choice of a new generation.
 
greaper007 said:
Immanuel Kant over here. I've let lots of semi legal things slide when I worked for different companies. If they terminated my relationship with them my silence would no longer be guaranteed.

Moral relativism, the choice of a new generation.
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So you let some semi-illegal things slide as well. ;)
 
Burn the bridges that need burning. Burn them like the Viet Cong were chasing you from the other side.

Sounds like their illegal practices are putting other pilots (including yourself) out of work. Seems the morally responsible thing to do would be to report them.
 
Screw it, blow em in. What is the worst that can happen? They sound like a POS company from the get go.
You already left on a bad note, so you are not going to get any glowing reviews from them anyway.
 
touch-n-go said:
Do what you want to do man, but I am simply saying that there are provisions for foreign students to work. From the top of my head I know that certain visas like the J1 student exchange visa and the F1 visa have provisions that allow students to work. The M1 visa may have some provisions as well but I am not sure. All these could be visas that your students may have and diiferent rules may apply. People may talk of "under the table" but at the end of the day there are either laws that were violated or not. I suggest you vist uscis.gov and see the rules for visas for clarity before making such huge accusations.Then again, as I said before, do what you want but be informed that just because someone is on a student visa does not neccesarily mean that they are working illegally.
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Touch-n-go has a great point here. My good friend from college used to be an instructor for the school while on a student visa. He was an int'l student and worked for a few months after graduation because his student visa allowed it. It may or may not be the situation at your former school, but it's a thought worth considering before you get yourself knee-deep. If it's something that's truly illegal, do the right thing and report it. If you're not completely familiar with the situation (I'm not saying you aren't), and all you know is based on what "he said/she said", you might wanna look more into it.
 
Can you do it anonymously? Just write a letter tipping ICE off. It's then in their hands if they want to investigate it.
 
touch-n-go said:
Do what you want to do man, but I am simply saying that there are provisions for foreign students to work. From the top of my head I know that certain visas like the J1 student exchange visa and the F1 visa have provisions that allow students to work. The M1 visa may have some provisions as well but I am not sure. All these could be visas that your students may have and diiferent rules may apply. People may talk of "under the table" but at the end of the day there are either laws that were violated or not. I suggest you vist uscis.gov and see the rules for visas for clarity before making such huge accusations.Then again, as I said before, do what you want but be informed that just because someone is on a student visa does not neccesarily mean that they are working illegally.
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:yeahthat:

Lilke it or not, there are many cases where foreign students can work with only a student visa - it happens all the time in a university setting. Often when a student is working on a Masters or Doctorate degree at a university, they are hired by that university as a Teaching Assistant (TA) - it doesn't matter whether they are a citizen or on a student visa. There is a cap on how much you can make on a student visa before you need to have a work visa (and those rules change continuously), but somehow I doubt that's an issue for a flight instructor position. Most likely, nothing illegal is going on regarding student visas at your former employer.

As to whether there is any "under the table" pay...even if true, it would be difficult to prove.
 
jhugz said:
So as many of you may know I was fired w/ out cause from my last job. Mostly it was due to me not working for free and standing up for myself when I was pushed to sign stuff off I didn't want to. Anywhoo I got to thinking last night about an incredibly ugly case of how this company tries to cut all corners and it aggravated me all through my shift.

The company brings in people from out of country on a student visa and has them work at the school as CFI's. Obviously since it is a student visa they are not eligible to be working in the US. So the company pays them under the table just for room and board. I was really upset about this when I was working there but just let it go because if I reported them they would know it was me and then terminate me.

Anywhoo am I being just in reporting this to the ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) or is this something I'm doing just in spite of my firing? I'm still p'ed off and want payback but this is so bad for the industry. Absolutely disgusting...

Opinions...
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ill do you one better.

not only does my company have someone working on a student visa... they were a CFI and now they are an imagery pilot, literally taking a "good job" from a legal, hardworking American citizen.

the more I think about it the more it REALLY really pisses me off.
 
Qgar said:
Can you do it anonymously? Just write a letter tipping ICE off. It's then in their hands if they want to investigate it.
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Get your facts straight before doing so....do some homework. If only for integrity's sake.
 
TXaviator said:
ill do you one better.

not only does my company have someone working on a student visa... they were a CFI and now they are an imagery pilot, literally taking a "good job" from a legal, hardworking American citizen.

the more I think about it the more it REALLY really pisses me off.
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I very much understand folks getting angry about illegal workers holding a job that can otherwise be held by a citizen, but make sure you're angry about the right thing when it comes to this situation. In this case, you're angry that a legal, hardworking foreigner on a student visa is legally holding a job.
 
AirmetTango said:
I very much understand folks getting angry about illegal workers holding a job that can otherwise be held by a citizen, but make sure you're angry about the right thing when it comes to this situation. In this case, you're angry that a legal, hardworking foreigner on a student visa is legally holding a job.
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i was under the impression it was not legal to work here if only possessing a student visa. maybe you can clarify?

and right, it is only maddening because so many people are fighting for jobs right now, if jobs were plentiful, i probably wouldnt care ;-)
 
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