Remaining IFR current

[woutlaw]

Source?

Not official, but a good post on the topic: http://forums.jetcareers.com/106546-post14.html

Me, if we're doing an approach in IMC I log it pretty much for all the reasons stated in the 2004 posting.

I might not be sole manipulator, but I'm usually the one saying something like "dude, we're doing 2,000 feet per minute down and left of the localizer. You might want to fix it or we'll be dead in 30 seconds." or on more typical flights "Ummm, it's that-a-way man."

 

[upup89]

first.. something along the line of "FAR 91.155".... the weather is below the VFR mins....your student (and YOUR scan on the six pack) needs to be flying solely by reference to the instruments.... so you and the student is logging soup time..
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now as far as YOU, the CFII logging the approaches....the above has to be met... gotta be IMC... and then....your student has to fly the craft down to the DH or MDA in the actual conditions.... doesn't have to be the entire approach,....... BUT..... needs to be something along the line flying in the soup... hitting the FAF and then jumping down to the DH or MDA...if its in the soup...then you can to log the approach.... (using your call...)

 

[upup89]

I know this may be a bit hard to do money-wise, but do yourself a favor and do more than just remain IFR current. Just doing the minimum to stay current won't help you much if/when you go to sim training. Try and go up as much as you can to stay proficent. There's a big difference between being IFR current and being IFR proficient.

I agree too many people think being current automatically makes them good to go for the actual. Not always the case.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Not official, but a good post on the topic: http://forums.jetcareers.com/106546-post14.html

Me, if we're doing an approach in IMC I log it pretty much for all the reasons stated in the 2004 posting.

Kinda iffy to rely on a post where the author says he took down the FAQ to add new information and the new version adds stuff from a 1999 FAA Legal opinion in the "opposing view" section.

 

[woutlaw]

Kinda iffy to rely on a post where the author says he took down the FAQ to add new information and the new version adds stuff from a 1999 FAA Legal opinion in the "opposing view" section.

Good point. I forgot all about the FAQ being dropped.

 

[Stomp16]

Ok. So now I'm really confused. I gave my first CFII dual given today and when I went to fill out the log book, I was a little confused as to what I could log. We did four approaches with three landings. My student was flying the entire time and we were at no point IMC. I called my instructor and asked her as what to log. I tried to get some clarification about logging the approaches. I told her I just put them down in my book as a record of what we did but did not put them in the column where they count towards my currency. She said that personally she DOES log the approaches that the student shoots under the hood. She said that since your acting as safety pilot AND giving instruction that I should log them. I am still apposed to doing this but am trying to find out the correct answer. Also, concerning his landings.....do I log those in my total T/O and landing sections or are those just his? Thanks beforehand, like I said, first dual given was today. I feel like I should know the answers to this, but honestly I don't.

 

[upup89]

As far as landings go I choose not to log the ones that my students do. Otherwise I would have something like 4000 landings of which a majority I did not touch the controls. Of course, a CFI or too that I work with chooses to log these.

You are not allowed to log the approaches that your students do unless it is in the IMC at the FAF. Just because you are sort of a "safety pilot" at no point allows you to log the approaches. Only your student can. That is why they put on the foggles.

On an instrument student flight I log: Total Time, SE time, Dual Given, and PIC. If we shoot an approach over 50 NM then I log X-Country. If it is in a complex aircraft then I'll log that but not much else.

Let me know if you have any other Q's. I remember my first few days, I wish I would have known this site existed then.

 

[Stomp16]

Upup89, thanks for your help as always. I did happen to log it like you said to. Now, I just got to convince my instructor that she has been logging approaches for the last 4 years that aren't hers. Right........

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

As far as landings go I choose not to log the ones that my students do. Otherwise I would have something like 4000 landings of which a majority I did not touch the controls. Of course, a CFI or too that I work with chooses to log these.

Not only a choice. Assuming your logging is for personal currency purposes, the FARs are clear that only the sole manipulator may log a landing for currency.

You are not allowed to log the approaches that your students do unless it is in the IMC at the FAF. Just because you are sort of a "safety pilot" at no point allows you to log the approaches. Only your student can. That is why they put on the foggles.

Absolutely right. The only controversy is over whether a CFI may log the approach flown by the student in actual instrument conditions. There is absolutely no basis for logging any approach when your eyes are out the window in CAVU conditions, no matter which seat your are in, no matter whether you are manipulating the controls or not, and no matter what type of piece of paper or plastic card is in your wallet.

If we shoot an approach over 50 NM then I log X-Country.

I assume you're counting these for your ATP since they don't count as cross countries for any other purpose without a landing at the >50 NM airport.

Now, I just got to convince my instructor that she has been logging approaches for the last 4 years that aren't hers. Right........

Good luck. Hopefully, she won't have an incident, especially one involving instrument flight, that causes the FAA to check her logbook. Revocation of all FAA certificates and ratings is the typical penalty for false logbook entries.