Religion of Peace terrorism plot foiled! (Followup to Imams being removed from flt)
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fender_jag
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Wasn't there a thread about this scenario (or something strikingly similar) in "You're The Captain"? Elicited some good responses.
Wasn't there a thread about this scenario (or something strikingly similar) in "You're The Captain"? Elicited some good responses.
zmiller4
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It definately sounds like they were acting wierd. I'd be interested to know what exactly happened though, not the filtered view that we're probably getting from both sides. The imams probably had a bit of a chip on their should where they thought that anything said to them (like "stay in the seat you were assigned") was profiling and discriminatory (which would be untrue, of course). The crew and passengers, though, probably had a much higher awareness of these guys' actions because of their ethnic background and might have acted differently because of it.
By the way, we should consider the source here...the Washington Times is one of the more slanted papers in the country, and the title "How the Imams terrorized an airliner" is kind of BS.
It definately sounds like they were acting wierd. I'd be interested to know what exactly happened though, not the filtered view that we're probably getting from both sides. The imams probably had a bit of a chip on their should where they thought that anything said to them (like "stay in the seat you were assigned") was profiling and discriminatory (which would be untrue, of course). The crew and passengers, though, probably had a much higher awareness of these guys' actions because of their ethnic background and might have acted differently because of it.
By the way, we should consider the source here...the Washington Times is one of the more slanted papers in the country, and the title "How the Imams terrorized an airliner" is kind of BS.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
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Excuse me if I missed something, but what plot was foiled? The article goes into more depth as to the reasons that security, passengers and crew were suspicious, but there is no evidence of a specific plot. It reads to me like at BEST you might have some bad guys probing security, and if that's what it was, they succeeded.
Excuse me if I missed something, but what plot was foiled? The article goes into more depth as to the reasons that security, passengers and crew were suspicious, but there is no evidence of a specific plot. It reads to me like at BEST you might have some bad guys probing security, and if that's what it was, they succeeded.
flyover
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Re: Religion of Peace terrorism plot foiled! (Followup to Imams being removed from fl
It doesn't seem to be BS if even half of the witness reports are true. It now seems likely the imams were hoping for a response with CAIR standing by for a rapid response. Not the first time that has happened by any means.
It doesn't seem to be BS if even half of the witness reports are true. It now seems likely the imams were hoping for a response with CAIR standing by for a rapid response. Not the first time that has happened by any means.
bdhill1979
Gone West
Re: Religion of Peace terrorism plot foiled! (Followup to Imams being removed from fl
Police stopping a driver because of the color of his skin = profiling
Strip searching because they are wearing "religious" clothing = profiling
Detaining six guys that get out of their seats, move to different parts of the aircraft and start loudly praying to allah = proper reaction.
These guys are lucky that there wasn't an armed air marshall to confront them, and have them resist, that could have turned ugly really quick.
Police stopping a driver because of the color of his skin = profiling
Strip searching because they are wearing "religious" clothing = profiling
Detaining six guys that get out of their seats, move to different parts of the aircraft and start loudly praying to allah = proper reaction.
These guys are lucky that there wasn't an armed air marshall to confront them, and have them resist, that could have turned ugly really quick.
kellwolf
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I'll be the first one to stand up against profiling, but this wasn't it. These guys were yanked b/c of their ACTIONS, not what they were wearing or their ethnicity. I almost say "or who they were praying to" but someone switching out of their assigned seats and praying loudly to Jesus would probably be seen as annoying instead of a terrorist threat....
I'll be the first one to stand up against profiling, but this wasn't it. These guys were yanked b/c of their ACTIONS, not what they were wearing or their ethnicity. I almost say "or who they were praying to" but someone switching out of their assigned seats and praying loudly to Jesus would probably be seen as annoying instead of a terrorist threat....
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Re: Religion of Peace terrorism plot foiled! (Followup to Imams being removed from fl
Those guys would have been off my airplane so fast...
Those guys would have been off my airplane so fast...
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
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Everything that I read said that they did their evening prayers in terminal at the gate before boarding. And not on the plane like has been widely speculated or assumed!
Everything that I read said that they did their evening prayers in terminal at the gate before boarding. And not on the plane like has been widely speculated or assumed!
bdhill1979
Gone West
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I have read both, if it was in the terminal and not on the plane, that would change the situation greatly. If they were praying in the terminal than detaining them for that is just wrong.
surreal1221
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I love the xenophobia in this country.
I love the xenophobia in this country.
mnixon
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One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together. He said they conducted prayers quietly and separately to avoid attention.
If you have nothing to hide, why would you go out of your way to not raise suspicion? I'm sorry, but if me and 5 of my buddies went to Iran, sat in the terminal and started reciting the Lord's Prayer, do you not think that it would raise suspicion? America needs more Chuck Norris and less flaming hippies who are scared to hurt feelings!
One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together. He said they conducted prayers quietly and separately to avoid attention.
If you have nothing to hide, why would you go out of your way to not raise suspicion? I'm sorry, but if me and 5 of my buddies went to Iran, sat in the terminal and started reciting the Lord's Prayer, do you not think that it would raise suspicion? America needs more Chuck Norris and less flaming hippies who are scared to hurt feelings!
zmiller4
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What are you talking about? Are you saying that any muslim who chooses not to pray on a plane is some sinister terrorist with something to hide?
I think there's a good chance that these guys were acting really suspicious, but I don't know because I wasn't there, and I'm definately not going to just accept the word of one of the more biased newspapers in the country. But then again, I'm not a thinker like Chuck Norris.
What are you talking about? Are you saying that any muslim who chooses not to pray on a plane is some sinister terrorist with something to hide?
I think there's a good chance that these guys were acting really suspicious, but I don't know because I wasn't there, and I'm definately not going to just accept the word of one of the more biased newspapers in the country. But then again, I'm not a thinker like Chuck Norris.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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Sure it would, but should you be kicked off the plane for it (even in Iran)? Nope. It was the actions that went along with the prayer. If they were just praying in the terminal, and people had a knee jerk reaction when they saw them on their plane, then THAT'S wrong. Like it or not, Islam is still a religion practice in abundance, even here in America. Why should it be any different if they were praying in the terminal over a group of kids from the FCAA praying before they get on a flight?
We don't have any laws outlawing competing religions like some of the Muslim countries, and I like it that way. If someone wants to break out the prayer rug, face east and pray to Allah, that's cool with me. When he starts getting shifty eyes, switching seats to what looks like strategic locations and coordinating with his buddies, THAT makes would make me worried. Hell, a group praying to Jesus but following that same pattern of actions would have me watching them. If they were removed from the flight for their actions, good job. If they were removed from the flight b/c they were Muslim, I'd cry discrimination. IMO, it looks like it was due to their actions.
Sure it would, but should you be kicked off the plane for it (even in Iran)? Nope. It was the actions that went along with the prayer. If they were just praying in the terminal, and people had a knee jerk reaction when they saw them on their plane, then THAT'S wrong. Like it or not, Islam is still a religion practice in abundance, even here in America. Why should it be any different if they were praying in the terminal over a group of kids from the FCAA praying before they get on a flight?
We don't have any laws outlawing competing religions like some of the Muslim countries, and I like it that way. If someone wants to break out the prayer rug, face east and pray to Allah, that's cool with me. When he starts getting shifty eyes, switching seats to what looks like strategic locations and coordinating with his buddies, THAT makes would make me worried. Hell, a group praying to Jesus but following that same pattern of actions would have me watching them. If they were removed from the flight for their actions, good job. If they were removed from the flight b/c they were Muslim, I'd cry discrimination. IMO, it looks like it was due to their actions.
kellwolf
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Chuck Norris doesn't think. He roundhouse kicks nuerons to make them fire.
Chuck Norris doesn't think. He roundhouse kicks nuerons to make them fire.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
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Check out this thing we have in this country, it's called the constitution; you're innocent until proven guilty in this country, unlike those dirtbag country's in the middle east that you obviously want to aspire to when it comes to civil rights. Kicking ass and taking names sounds like a great idea until it's you in the hot seat.
I don't think anybody has a clue what happened on that airplane. These guys could have said to each other in Arabic, "Hey, how was your Starbucks?" and somebody would have been SURE that they were plotting to takeover the aircraft and praying to Allah, just like if I were to get on a plane and yell "Ein halbes pfund mehl!" somebody would probably think I'm reciting lines from a Hitler Youth ralley if they didn't speak a lick of German.
Check out this thing we have in this country, it's called the constitution; you're innocent until proven guilty in this country, unlike those dirtbag country's in the middle east that you obviously want to aspire to when it comes to civil rights. Kicking ass and taking names sounds like a great idea until it's you in the hot seat.
I don't think anybody has a clue what happened on that airplane. These guys could have said to each other in Arabic, "Hey, how was your Starbucks?" and somebody would have been SURE that they were plotting to takeover the aircraft and praying to Allah, just like if I were to get on a plane and yell "Ein halbes pfund mehl!" somebody would probably think I'm reciting lines from a Hitler Youth ralley if they didn't speak a lick of German.
Bigey
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Haha
Revived!
Iran has christians, so no it wont be out of the ordinary to recite the lords prayers.
Just a side track...
Haha
Revived!
Iran has christians, so no it wont be out of the ordinary to recite the lords prayers.
Just a side track...
taseal
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yes, i'm a terrorist and lets all pray real loud and sit where we are not supposed to raise even more concern/suspiociousness so we get all kicked out and our plot fails...
come on man... if these guys were terrorists, it would be thought out hell of alot better... if they acted like this during 9/11 days, what would have happened? if same thing, then they didn't get removed and look what happened... if we wouldn't have, then we are def more concerned about muslims...
plus this is media man, you guys believe everything they say?
I bet you guys do believe in the 'DCA, because being owned by an airline means everything' too, you just dont make it obvious here...
jeez
I don't know what I would have done in the situation.... but I just dont see someone screaming allah prayers, while trying to 'dress' like a western person and whatnot...
yes, i'm a terrorist and lets all pray real loud and sit where we are not supposed to raise even more concern/suspiociousness so we get all kicked out and our plot fails...
come on man... if these guys were terrorists, it would be thought out hell of alot better... if they acted like this during 9/11 days, what would have happened? if same thing, then they didn't get removed and look what happened... if we wouldn't have, then we are def more concerned about muslims...
plus this is media man, you guys believe everything they say?
I bet you guys do believe in the 'DCA, because being owned by an airline means everything' too, you just dont make it obvious here...
jeez
I don't know what I would have done in the situation.... but I just dont see someone screaming allah prayers, while trying to 'dress' like a western person and whatnot...
Nismaxdan
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So, like what does that mean?
So, like what does that mean?
