Regionals vs. Majors

Derg said:
I was told by a USAir guy that if a trip is blocked at 2 hrs, and if they fly 1 hr, 50 minutes, they only get paid for 1 hr, 50 min, is that true?
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Nope.

B767 said:
And, to go a little more in depth, based on what I was told. You have a trip where day 1 has 2 flights. Both blocked at 4 hours. You over block the first flight at 4:10. You under block the second flight at 3:40. Most contracts would pay you 8:10 (the overblock plus the original block). And if most airlines didn't do that, then they would at least pay 8:00 (the original scheduled block). AA/US would pay 7:50 though. The over block doesn't "count" if you under block the other flights. I wouldn't know best though. @skyw82 @L-16B @wheelsup?
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Nope.
 
Pardon my ignorance. What was in the JCBA then? Because I was told this on 2/14 by a US jumpseater. Or was he just absolutely clueless in terms of how he's paid, or will be paid?
 
B767 said:
Pardon my ignorance. What was in the JCBA then? Because I was told this on 2/14 by a US jumpseater. Or was he just absolutely clueless in terms of how he's paid, or will be paid?
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What was described to you is correct as to how AA is currently paid. To get paid overblock, you have to overblock the whole trip.

Not sure what is in ya'lls JCBA. I'm pretty sure if there's a more original but more difficult way of doing things, that is what AA by default picks.
 
Not sure if any other Legacy(United maybe?) has work rules set up where a pilot can rack up soft pay like Delta. The Greenslip/Whiteslip system can be very lucrative especially if you live in base close to the airport. FO on the 737 in NYC racked up around 300 hours of pay for FEB on 9 Greenslips.
 
B767 said:
And, to go a little more in depth, based on what I was told. You have a trip where day 1 has 2 flights. Both blocked at 4 hours. You over block the first flight at 4:10. You under block the second flight at 3:40. Most contracts would pay you 8:10 (the overblock plus the original block). And if most airlines didn't do that, then they would at least pay 8:00 (the original scheduled block). AA/US would pay 7:50 though. The over block doesn't "count" if you under block the other flights. I wouldn't know best though. @skyw82 @L-16B @wheelsup?
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Right now we'd get the overblock on leg one and block on leg two.

AFAIK, under the AA toilet paper "contract", we're moving toward averaging out everything. But no, you'll never get paid less than scheduled block, we still have that.

From my understanding, and the AA contract is so absurdly complicated that no one can really figure it out, if you overblock day one by 0:15 mins and underblock day two by 0:10 mins, you'd only be up 0:05 for the trip vs. 0:15.

This is just one small reason why I bid back to reserve vs holding a block.

That being said, the massive over block that you get at the commuters doesn't exist here. Stuff is scheduled with a small pad and I rarely find myself over blocking at all on legs, even in bad weather. At my commuter I've had +2:00 hours before on a single leg, guys are happy if they make an extra 2 mins here.

The massive delays and cancelations tend not to happen at mainline.

To put it in perspective, how far this pilot group has come in such a short time, in 2015 you will make more as an FO on the Airbus after being on property 2 years than the topped out CA's made in 2013 (25-30 years to hold that spot). Or even one year if you go to the E190 as a CA.

The biggest detriment to our pay is the AA mentality of "complicate everything". I would wager we have the least productivity and most pilots per plane as such. Good in the sense there are more jobs, however the union has done a lot to limit earning potential to smooth out the pay across the board (good in a sense).
 
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I am so glad I didn't pursue becoming an airline pilot, the amount of energy spent on figuring out the best way to game the system, and then comment on how others can't follow suit is astounding. If you spend all of your time off trying to figure out how to get more time off and more money is it really time off?
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
To get paid overblock, you have to overblock the whole trip.
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knot4u said:
I am so glad I didn't pursue becoming an airline pilot, the amount of energy spent on figuring out the best way to game the system, and then comment on how others can't follow suit is astounding. If you spend all of your time off trying to figure out how to get more time off and more money is it really time off?
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My Feb block went from 11 days off to 17 and +4 hours of pay while doing so by swapping trips. I actually didn't fly a single trip of my original schedule.

All I had to do was look at open time for a couple mins a day when I wasn't working. If that's more trouble than working 6 more days and getting paid $600 less, well, I can't change that mentality.

But, month before I worked 6 days on call. Had 23 off in a row between work and unused reserve days. You have to pay attention to open time, which you can check from your phone. Have fun on your 22 days of cubicle work...
 
wheelsup said:
My Feb block went from 11 days off to 17 and +4 hours of pay while doing so by swapping trips. I actually didn't fly a single trip of my original schedule.

All I had to do was look at open time for a couple mins a day when I wasn't working. If that's more trouble than working 6 more days and getting paid $600 less, well, I can't change that mentality.

But, month before I worked 6 days on call. Had 23 off in a row between work and unused reserve days. You have to pay attention to open time, which you can check from your phone. Have fun on your 22 days of cubicle work...
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You know not of what you speak. I don't work in a "cubicle" and my 40/wk keeps you safe, don't insult my profession or perhaps I'll start talking about pilots who drag a tip tank in a LR35 in CO and fly it home to CA, or the captain who hated copilots and would dump in the honeybucket just so they would have to clean it.
 
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wheelsup said:
knot4u said:
I am so glad I didn't pursue becoming an airline pilot, the amount of energy spent on figuring out the best way to game the system, and then comment on how others can't follow suit is astounding. If you spend all of your time off trying to figure out how to get more time off and more money is it really time off?
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My Feb block went from 11 days off to 17 and +4 hours of pay while doing so by swapping trips. I actually didn't fly a single trip of my original schedule.

All I had to do was look at open time for a couple mins a day when I wasn't working. If that's more trouble than working 6 more days and getting paid $600 less, well, I can't change that mentality.

But, month before I worked 6 days on call. Had 23 off in a row between work and unused reserve days. You have to pay attention to open time, which you can check from your phone. Have fun on your 22 days of cubicle work...
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