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propsync said:
The difference is PSA and their pilots will not ever be forgiven or forgotten.
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Let me try to paraphrase zap, if I may; you're new to the Internet, aren't you?

Pilot forums might as well be called "Rage Du Jour." When I got hired, it all those scabs over at Crappy Kittie that "took our jobs" and parked "in the litterbox" and "have a crap contract" that is "destroying the industry!!!"

But now Republic is the knight in shining armor "giving it to the man" and "standing up against low wages," even though they're still in possession of that same contract that we all decried.

Take all the quoted sections and recycle as necessary and then you have a pilot forum.
 
Nope all wrong. Those guys all walked on the backs of fellow pilots, cannot ever be forgotten. Then to make matters worse, the PSA MEC refused to sign the agreement that all the other regional mec's signed against whipsawing tactics. Imagine that, all the other regionals signed it except psa. No my friend, PSA now stands alone.
 
propsync said:
Nope all wrong. Those guys all walked on the backs of fellow pilots, cannot ever be forgotten. Then to make matters worse, the PSA MEC refused to sign the agreement that all the other regional mec's signed against whipsawing tactics. Imagine that, all the other regionals signed it except psa. No my friend, PSA now stands alone.
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Your witch hunt is understandable...but your thoughts of how it will play out in the future is pretty off. History has shown over and over that the majors don't care.
 
propsync said:
Nope all wrong. Those guys all walked on the backs of fellow pilots, cannot ever be forgotten. Then to make matters worse, the PSA MEC refused to sign the agreement that all the other regional mec's signed against whipsawing tactics. Imagine that, all the other regionals signed it except psa. No my friend, PSA now stands alone.
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And which high horse are you employed by right now?
 
As someone who is a first year FO at XJT, I'm really thinking about the dreaded lateral move, but this thread is confirming that there are basically no good options. So thanks for that guys. :)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
On the contrary.

The good option, at that point, is where you can (1) continue to be employed and (2) drive to work.
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I do drive to work at XJT, but its CLE, so I'm not sure how long that's going to last. I'm also not sure if XJT will be a company for a long enough time for someone like myself to eventually upgrade... we just have so many lifer captains. I could also drive to work at Shuttle America side of RAH to the CMH base, I'm waiting to see if they ever get a contract, but by then it will be too late. Yet again I could drive to work at the PSA DAY base, so basically I'm trying to decide if it would be worth it to apply to PSA. I would love to go to Compass, but I will never be able to drive, so it's out.
 
Soku39 said:
I do drive to work at XJT, but its CLE, so I'm not sure how long that's going to last. I'm also not sure if XJT will be a company for a long enough time for someone like myself to eventually upgrade... we just have so many lifer captains. I could also drive to work at Shuttle America side of RAH to the CMH base, I'm waiting to see if they ever get a contract, but by then it will be too late. Yet again I could drive to work at the PSA DAY base, so basically I'm trying to decide if it would be worth it to apply to PSA. I would love to go to Compass, but I will never be able to drive, so it's out.
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Applications are cheap, and the nice thing is you don't really have to make any decisions until you have an offer...
 
ian said:
Your witch hunt is understandable...but your thoughts of how it will play out in the future is pretty off. History has shown over and over that the majors don't care.
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This is not something the management of the company pushed down onto the PSA pilots. Sometimes pilots do not have a choice in matters of what the company does. This is different though, pilots voted this obscenity giving the middle finger to every other pilot at every other carrier trying to put something big together for the good of the industry. Your wrong in your assessment. To this day we see things such as America West pilots being denied jumpseat privileges on US airways etc.. There are going to be PSA pilots who fail out of IOE etc.. by check airmen holding a grudge.
 
propsync said:
This is not something the management of the company pushed down onto the PSA pilots. Sometimes pilots do not have a choice in matters of what the company does. This is different though, pilots voted this obscenity giving the middle finger to every other pilot at every other carrier trying to put something big together for the good of the industry. Your wrong in your assessment. To this day we see things such as America West pilots being denied jumpseat privileges on US airways etc.. There are going to be PSA pilots who fail out of IOE etc.. by check airmen holding a grudge.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Which I doubt I will.
 
propsync said:
This is not something the management of the company pushed down onto the PSA pilots. Sometimes pilots do not have a choice in matters of what the company does. This is different though, pilots voted this obscenity giving the middle finger to every other pilot at every other carrier trying to put something big together for the good of the industry. Your wrong in your assessment. To this day we see things such as America West pilots being denied jumpseat privileges on US airways etc.. There are going to be PSA pilots who fail out of IOE etc.. by check airmen holding a grudge.
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My God.

This is over propsync, you're wrong, majors and their pilots won't care. Regionals are like high school, once you get out you realise it's all BS. The guys senior to you at your job worked for nothing flying planes while you wouldn't deign, and your captains or soon to be captains are the guys who paid for their job. You all have to work together. Read my signature, take it to heart, then remember there is no profession, this is just a job, and if you enjoy the job just do it. Your career, your profession, will be your family.
 
propsync said:
To this day we see things such as America West pilots being denied jumpseat privileges on US airways etc.. There are going to be PSA pilots who fail out of IOE etc.. by check airmen holding a grudge.
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The jumpseat denials were stamped out a long time ago. How's recurrent training for that pterodactyl you fly?

Also, by the time anybody who feels hurt by PSA today, gets in to a position to be making any sort of decisions as a checkairman, there will have been so many other "bad" things that have happened in the industry (and frankly, I still don't exactly see what PSA did being bad) that they probably won't even remember it, let alone feel the need to act on it. And, if they do hold a grudge, they won't last long in the training or hiring departments. That stuff opens the doors for lawsuits and airlines HATE lawsuits.
 
jtrain609 said:
Let me try to paraphrase zap, if I may; you're new to the Internet, aren't you?

Pilot forums might as well be called "Rage Du Jour." When I got hired, it all those scabs over at Crappy Kittie that "took our jobs" and parked "in the litterbox" and "have a crap contract" that is "destroying the industry!!!"

But now Republic is the knight in shining armor "giving it to the man" and "standing up against low wages," even though they're still in possession of that same contract that we all decried.

Take all the quoted sections and recycle as necessary and then you have a pilot forum.
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Says YOU who cried "ONE LIST OR STFD!"
 
BobDDuck said:
The jumpseat denials were stamped out a long time ago. How's recurrent training for that pterodactyl you fly?

Also, by the time anybody who feels hurt by PSA today, gets in to a position to be making any sort of decisions as a checkairman, there will have been so many other "bad" things that have happened in the industry (and frankly, I still don't exactly see what PSA did being bad) that they probably won't even remember it, let alone feel the need to act on it. And, if they do hold a grudge, they won't last long in the training or hiring departments. That stuff opens the doors for lawsuits and airlines HATE lawsuits.
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I'm not going to spend too much more time on this, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not trying to be nasty or anything like that. But to be fair, if I read this thread correctly, you are an ex-PSA pilot right? I'm sure you feel duty bound to mitigate the things I've said and I respect that, but there are going to be newbies who read this thread and they should have all the information to make an informed choice.

You may be right though in what you have said, I can't say for sure what the future will be.
 
propsync said:
if I read this thread correctly, you are an ex-PSA pilot right? I'm sure you feel duty bound to mitigate the things I've said and I respect that, but there are going to be newbies who read this thread and they should have all the information to make an informed choice.
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I am, but that has very little to do with anything. I don't feel duty bound to mitigate things. I was off property by the time they signed the agreement that has so many people bent out of shape. That said, my signature is in the contract that this deal modified so I'd say I have a pretty good understanding of how things worked out over there.

The fact that you've (across multiple threads) provided absolutely no evidence or reason as to why or how the PSA pilots stabbed their fellow FFD carrier pilots in the back or why exactly everybody should and will hate them into eternity coupled with the fact that you are parroting rumors about current day AAA/AWA jumpseat denials (that haven't happened in 5 years) makes me question your understanding of the facts, which is fine. However when you turn around and pass your opinion of something off as facts to new guys just entering the industry, I get got of frustrating. EXPLAIN what happened, explain why YOU think it's bad. Answer any questions THEY have and then move on. Don't tell them how it is though, when it may actually not be like that at all.

I'm not pointing fingers are you at all. Lots of people have made some very wrong assumptions about what happened and how it effected the W2 pay and quality of life of PSA pilots and the effect that had on other companies. All I've heard from the STW folks is "we stood together and they didn't" which really doesn't make much sense because if you look at the deal they actually got and actually understand the 10 year contract they were able to lock themselves in to, you'd probably want the same thing on whatever property you are at.

And you're right, we can't be sure of the future. But history shows pretty clearly that, unless you scab (and even then sometimes that doesn't matter either) nobody really cares or remembers where you worked 5 years down the road, especially once you get out of the high school like environment that the regionals have become.
 
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