Regional Carriers C-SPAN discussion

Our fatigue policy: supposedly no questions asked, and you have to fill out a flight safety report within 24 hours.....then you have to do the carpet dance with the base manager as a sort of "tracking" thing. So, even though it's supposeduly "non-punitive" you still get the privilege of talking it over with management. Any meeting where they say you can bring a union rep has the potential to go south.
 
Training is also an issue. The proposed bill to require 1500 hours and an ATP is not the solution. Making circles in the sky for an additional 1000 hours in a 172 is not the type of quality time to safely fly an airliner. We need to train to proficiency, not to standards. The military pilots flying f-16's and c-130's are trained to a high level, and are very proficient. Many of these pilots are young. This shows that it is not an issue of young pilots, but rather the training received, and quality.

Let me step out on a limb and guess you are one of these "highly trained" pilots you are referring to? That's what I love about some of you military guys. Nobody ever has to ask you how good you are. You're more than willing to just come right out and tell everyone....over..and over...and over...and over. Too bad your performance doesn't always back it up. There are OUTSTANDING former military pilots at the regional and majors and there are some that I wouldn't lend my car to. The same goes for civilian.

Get over yourself.
 
Part of the reason that I support a 1500TT into the 121 world is because at 500TT you want to fly. You still see it as a privilege to be allowed to fly at all. At 1000hrs a year, you have 6mos experience. At 1500TT you're beginning to realize that flying is just a job, albeit a complex job, with diverse and important responsibilities, but really, its just a job. You may find satisfaction in it, you may find purpose in it (I find some) but really, first and foremost flying is just work.

That's the change in reality (or at least it was for me, at about 1000TT) that though this is fun, I'm an employee, and I'm not willing to take crap wages just so I can fly. I'm not willing to suffer so that they can "do me the favor" of letting me split legs and throw the gear lever. That's what's important in my opinion. We wonder why guys take these jobs. Really, in terms of coolness, longevity, and the ability to build your career, it makes sense to jump into the right seat at 250TT, that being said, I'd recommend against it, because when I went into the right seat at 500TT, flying was still inseperable from the hobby that I had started out in, and not yet a career. There's a difference in mindset that doesn't go away for at least a thousand hours. I still love to fly, I still love my job, but I definitely no longer consider it a privilege to be able to work for someone, especially if I was to be paid far less than my counterparts in other parts of the industry.

Yes. Unfortunately to really understand what you wrote, someone actually needs to experience it. The only person that would deny what you wrote is someone that is still starting out. It's like the crack analogy, you know it's bad, you still have to try it. The cycle will continue. And I'm not so sure 1500 will raise qol, for that to happen there has to be less demand. People will just have to fly or instruct a while longer.

If the unions haven't figured out a way to raise salaries for the last 50 years, how in the world will 1500TT fix all of that?
 
MDW overrun and the AD and C check issues that came up over the last few years. The latter two resulted in heavy fines. I don't know if that indicates a culture of any kind.
 
Let me step out on a limb and guess you are one of these "highly trained" pilots you are referring to? That's what I love about some of you military guys. Nobody ever has to ask you how good you are. You're more than willing to just come right out and tell everyone....over..and over...and over...and over. Too bad your performance doesn't always back it up. There are OUTSTANDING former military pilots at the regional and majors and there are some that I wouldn't lend my car to. The same goes for civilian.

Get over yourself.

To bad I'm not a military guy.
 
I watched the hearing. The "other guys" were pilots, albeit management. The SVP Flight Ops for Delta was there, as was the head safety captain at Continental. Those two actually made some sense in their testimony; the CEOs (especially the Pinnacle one) spent their time talking around the issue.

Congress addressed low pay of new hire regional pilots, commuters, and fatigue. Also addressed was what level of responsibility do the major carriers have (or should have) for the safety oversight of their regional affiliates.

While it was a decent discussion, I feel like (unfortunately) the surface of the issues were barely scratched. And for what it's worth, while the mgmt refused to admit it, I believe better compensation will lead to a more safe cockpit by virtue of the fact the airlines will be able to attract more qualified applicants. Yes, state-of-the-art simulators are great, but they don't take the place of experience.
 
Let me step out on a limb and guess you are one of these "highly trained" pilots you are referring to? That's what I love about some of you military guys. Nobody ever has to ask you how good you are. You're more than willing to just come right out and tell everyone....over..and over...and over...and over. Too bad your performance doesn't always back it up. There are OUTSTANDING former military pilots at the regional and majors and there are some that I wouldn't lend my car to. The same goes for civilian.

Get over yourself.

It's all about the training. USAF pilot training far surpasses airline training. The argument isn't about the pilots, their performance, or what they think of themselves.
 
It's all about the training. USAF pilot training far surpasses airline training. The argument isn't about the pilots, their performance, or what they think of themselves.

I agree with that. These pilots had experience. Yes the CA was hired at 600(just like thousands were and are flying as we speek including Captains) but at the time of the crash he had 3500. The FO had about 2500. It was the lack of training.
 
Let me step out on a limb and guess you are one of these "highly trained" pilots you are referring to? That's what I love about some of you military guys. Nobody ever has to ask you how good you are. You're more than willing to just come right out and tell everyone....over..and over...and over...and over. Too bad your performance doesn't always back it up. There are OUTSTANDING former military pilots at the regional and majors and there are some that I wouldn't lend my car to. The same goes for civilian.

Get over yourself.

Sounds more like a personal problem.
 
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