Regional carrier VS. CFI????

christina3hunt

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I am a commerical single and multi instrument pilot with about 300 hours total and 15 multi. I am starting my CFI training and hoping to build time this way, with the ultimate goal of joining the airlines. A few of my fellow graduates are getting hired at airlines such as Piedmont...and basically I am wondering... Is it better to join an airlines such as Piedmont, or hold off and build time being a CFI and apply to more prestigious airlines later???
 
depends on what you mean by "better"

i think you need to take into account your long term goals, age, financial status...smuch them all together and then decide for yourself if now is the right time for you to do XXX.
 
Actually, there is decent money to be maid eventually, unlike some people will tell you.

You need to do a self evaluation. What airline do you want to fly for? What are your career goals (currently)? Etc. If you've always wanted to start your career at Piedmont, then it might not be a bad idea to throw your resume out there if you feel ready. If you've always wanted to fly for Horizon or Skywest, then you need to build some more time and experience, see what I mean?
 
I am a commerical single and multi instrument pilot with about 300 hours total and 15 multi. I am starting my CFI training and hoping to build time this way, with the ultimate goal of joining the airlines. A few of my fellow graduates are getting hired at airlines such as Piedmont...and basically I am wondering... Is it better to join an airlines such as Piedmont, or hold off and build time being a CFI and apply to more prestigious airlines later???

Get the CFI. If a better opportunity comes along the way, take it. Don't pass up a chance to become upwardly mobile, however, make sure you have earned the right to be there. Otherwise, some of those better oppornities could end up being bad experiences.

I don't know how people are getting through training with 500 hours. I remember some of my early airline training experiences and even with over 2000 hours it was pretty challenging. I must have had 600 hours or so before I really became comfortable with spin training in light singles and around 1000 hours or so before I felt I was truly a competent multi-engine instructor.

At an airline, you don't get to test the limits of the airplane. This happen in military flying and flight instructing.

In the civilian world, I think a lot of these formative experiences are being bypassed when you forgo the CFI experience.
 
I would say go and take the CFI route. Sure you may or may not make more money in regionals. Yes it is probably more rewarding to go into the regionals but the truth of it is you will be logging second in command hours.

I think it will take longer to get up to the bigger airlines going through the regionals then going CFI because in CFI it is all about the PIC hours. The more you have the better your resume looks.

Note: All of this information is from talking to people and browsing the internet. I am only about 4 hours into my PPL so take what you want out of this.
 
I would say go and take the CFI route. Sure you may or may not make more money in regionals. Yes it is probably more rewarding to go into the regionals but the truth of it is you will be logging second in command hours.

I think it will take longer to get up to the bigger airlines going through the regionals then going CFI because in CFI it is all about the PIC hours. The more you have the better your resume looks.

Note: All of this information is from talking to people and browsing the internet. I am only about 4 hours into my PPL so take what you want out of this.

For me... instructing was one of the best things I've done for a lot of reasons, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

For the original poster: If you can, I'd recommend getting the CFI
 
The age old debate. People on here will only tell you one thing. I have my CFI and thats what I do full time, but I do not live in Florida, Texas, Arizona or Cali. I fly 40-50 hours a month if I am lucky, especially this time of year. I would have to relocate for a job where I flew more.

Would a regional job pay better, allow me to fly more and advance my career further? You bet. I would love to CFI the rest of my life because my QOL is through the roof. I hang at the airport spend time with my g.f and dog while sleeping at home every night. I will not however tell you that instructing is what you should do. When you are ready to Really pay your dues and work for a regional, make nothing, and sleep out of a suit case 20 days a month then go ahead. Both the 250 hour , 500 hour and 2000 hour instructor all need to start at IOE and at the bottom of the seniority list. For me its when an airline will hire me and when I am able to accept a reduction in QOL for a period at the Regionals.

Jtrain is my favorite example. "You gotta CFI. You gotta CFI. Regional suck you don't have to go to them."

...3 months later "I just got hired by xpressjet!"

BTW I am a 500 hour CFI realizing that I will need to go to the regionals whether I go now or when I have 1500 hours to reach my goals in aviation.
-Jason
 
I have friends that have ~2-3000 hours and are at a regional. I also have three friends that have 1-1500 hours single engine pistion with some multi. The 1-1500 hour guys are applying for the same jobs I am while, the regional guy is looking at corporate jet offers. This is whats really happening.

-Jason
www.flatironsaero.com
 
I have friends that have ~2-3000 hours and are at a regional. I also have three friends that have 1-1500 hours single engine pistion with some multi. The 1-1500 hour guys are applying for the same jobs I am while, the regional guy is looking at corporate jet offers. This is whats really happening.

-Jason
www.flatironsaero.com

??

I have a friend that owns a Honda Accord. I have another friend that owns a Mitsubishi Gallant. They both drive to work.

This is what's really happening. . . . :confused:
 
I'll add my two cents.

Yes. Get your CFI. You will improve your knowledge and understanding, improve your communication skills, improve your self-confidence.

There's no down-side.

Then get your CFII, and MEI for the same reasons.

I will be the lone wolf who disagrees that you "need" to go to the regionals to achieve your goals in aviation.

Even if your goals are still to be a major airline pilot (which only means that you haven't been paying attention for the last 7 years), you don't need to go through the regionals to get there.

Flying freight for companies such as Ameriflight, AirNet, Mountain Air Cargo, Empire, etc will provide you with invaluable single-pilot and crew experience flying in the IFR system and making decisions.

Why is that important? We can teach a monkey to manipulate the controls and fly the aircraft... but we can not teach him to be decision maker. We can't teach him when to say "no". We can't teach him that it's ok to go-around. We can't teach him to avoid airframe icing. Get my point?

Those are skills that are developed by flying as PIC in the IFR system. They are also the skills that will make you a valuable resource to the captains you fly with...rather than a liability. Remember that the Captain is NOT your flight instructor (although some of them may act like it). You are a team and if one team member is unqualified, the burden shifts to the other.

I would MUCH rather fly with a first officer who has cut his teeth flying single-pilot into Newark in the middle of the night, then someone who hasn't even given any dual in a C152. It is the difference between knowing that I can count on the fella in the right seat, or spending 4 days watching him like a hawk.

Ok -- now that being said, SOME of these freight operators fly turbine powered, crew aircraft. AirNet has Lears, Empire has the Fairchild, Ameriflight has the B1900 and the EMB120, Air Cargo Carriers has the Shorts 330/360. If your goal is to fly for the majors any of those are EVERY BIT AS VALUABLE as RJ time. In fact, i'd say they may be MORE valuable because it separates you from the pack. It makes your resume stand out among the sea of candidates with the same few thousand hours of RJ time.
And quite frankly, you will be a better pilot then you would sitting there watching the autopilot track the LNAV back to Cincinnati 4 times a day.

As an additional benefit, many of these operators use FBOs where they have the additional possibility of networking with corporate and fractional pilots. So if you are interested in looking at THOSE segments of our profession, there is an opportunity that you wouldn't get strutting through the terminal at JFK...again.

Don't get stuck like a deer in the headlights with only a one-track career mindset. Another 09/11, increased fuel prices, or an accident with a low-timer at the controls could ALL dramatically change the airline landscape and leave you with no "plan B". Trust me. I've been there.

Good luck whatever you choose.
 
The other thing that bothers me about this issue from a QOL standpoint:

If I eventually have to work at a regional carrier either way, wouldn't I want to do it sooner than later? Deal with the hassle of crew scheduling when I am single and unattached. It is easy to go pay my dues when my schedule affects nobody but myself. Do I want to be sitting reserve when I am married, or have a young child? It would be nice to have a regional career behind me so that I have more options when I am starting a family.

-Jason
www.flatironsaero.com
 
Hey, i'll be honest with those of you thinking of starting a family.

I NEVER would have imagined that a baby would make me want to give up what was (at the time) an enjoyable lifestyle for me.

Today, with a 17 month old at home, I dont like to spend 8 HOURS away from home much less 4 days. You just miss too much! Some days it seems like he changes by the second.

So, as you are balancing your career plans with your family plans, consider that. There are a lot of flying jobs that allow you to be home each night. Just remember, the bigger the plane...the bigger the suitcase. ;)
 
The other thing that bothers me about this issue from a QOL standpoint:

If I eventually have to work at a regional carrier either way, wouldn't I want to do it sooner than later? Deal with the hassle of crew scheduling when I am single and unattached. It is easy to go pay my dues when my schedule affects nobody but myself. Do I want to be sitting reserve when I am married, or have a young child? It would be nice to have a regional career behind me so that I have more options when I am starting a family.
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Dont get too caught up on this. Sure you are going to be on reserve at first and over time your QOL will go up. Do you plan on being a regional FO forever though? When you upgrade, unless you hold out as an FO for a while or movement happens to be fast, you are going to sit reserve as a captain. You QoL progression on the captain side will probably happen considerably slower than it did as an FO. Now you are making some decent money, but the story isnt over yet. Are you going to try to go to a major and take a paycut back down to 30-40k/yr and be on reserve again?

Dont rush it, build some experience as a CFI at least. You'll have plenty of time later in life to be on reserve, and plenty of opportunity.
 
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