Reed Timmer just got owned by a A-10

I just want video posted on YT. Sounds fun, scary and intriguing, I like the concept. I also like the idea of the 10 strafing Reed's Dominator with 1,000's of those round plastic sensor balls. Just like the ones in the movie, Twister! Insult to injury....YES! ;)
 
Nah, that's been off the air over the last 2-3 years. But, I'm sure A&E is quickly piecing together a program based on this new information I linked. "Hognadoes killers dynasty storm wars".
 
Last I heard the A-10 would never be demilitarized, ergo it will never be operated outside of the military. I'm told that the big effin cannon is a major component of the airframe and can't be removed.

That's what I heard from some stranger on the internets in a pilot forum. I'm sure someone here has more accurate info.
 
Last I heard the A-10 would never be demilitarized, ergo it will never be operated outside of the military. I'm told that the big effin cannon is a major component of the airframe and can't be removed.

That's what I heard from some stranger on the internets in a pilot forum. I'm sure someone here has more accurate info.

For this program, where the weight of the cannon, drum and ammo can be offset by something fixed and/or permanent in the void to replace at least most of the weight, that could be engineered to work.

Previously for the so-called Firehog, the proposed firefighting version of the A-10, this wasn't possible due to the same CG issue. In the design of the A-10, the rear mounted engines are offset by the entire 30mm gun system which takes up nearly the forward half of the airplane. One of the reasons the A-10 retains it's emptied shell casings when it fires its gun (they rotate to the back of the ammo drum) is for CG purposes. In fact, when flying with a lite ammo load or empty, if you look into the nose landing gear bay, you'll see metal plates bolted to the side of the gear well, also for CG purposes. In a Firehog, the entire gun system would have to be removed, then a retardant tank installed on the middle-underside of the aircraft (replacing station racks 5/6/7). This tank would already be aft of where the normal CG is with the gun installed, and when you drop that load......lets assume for sake of argument 1000 gals at 10lbs/gal......that's 10,000 lbs of weight difference with a resultant aft-CG shift that would have to be accounted for. There's not enough ballast ability in the nose area to do that...even with a major rework, and that wouldn't be cost effective.
 
So Mike, what's your opinion on this? I know the A-10 is battle tested, cast iron tub tough, but flying it into a storm, ESP one producing a tornado... how does it fare? Between the hail that often accompany a tornadic storm and the extreme rotating winds inside the cells, I just can't see this as being smart.
Or, if this outer fringe cell flying and not penetrating the core I can see real promise in the new science of it.
 
So Mike, what's your opinion on this? I know the A-10 is battle tested, cast iron tub tough, but flying it into a storm, ESP one producing a tornado... how does it fare? Between the hail that often accompany a tornadic storm and the extreme rotating winds inside the cells, I just can't see this as being smart.

Or, if this outer fringe cell flying and not penetrating the core I can see real promise in the new science of it.

I'm not exactly certain how they're employing it specifically. In my opinion, t's one thing to penetrate hurricane's in a WC-130 like the AF Reserve does, it's a whole another thing to go near to, or even into, tornadoes. I can think of so many complications that can occur, outside of being a stout airframe, but there's alot I don't know specifically about their employment.

Like I've mentioned before around here, the bathtub is somewhat overrated. Cool and effective design, but with limitations. The tub itself surrounds the cockpit sides and bottom. The forward windscreen is bullet resistant glass up to about 23mm, though 12.7mm is more realistic. The problem in combat comes in the low-level flying that was once the only place we operated. Whereas the front windscreen is bullet resistant, the actual canopy itself is simple plexiglass. So a hit to the sides of bottom of the cockpit would be resisted by the bathtub. However in a low-level turn with a large bank, such as a ridge crossing, if a round came through the canopy, the titanium bathtub now became a titanium catchers-mitt, with my pink fleshy body in the middle of it.
So while the bathtub was a good design, it did have its limitations, just like anything does.

But in this case for the tornado hunting, where no one is shooting at the A-10, the tub will definitely be extra strength for the airframe......but only the parts of the airframe that have that protection. The rest of the A-10 is just like any other aluminium aircraft out there.

It's a dangerous environment for smaller planes (or really any planes, for that matter), and I'd hate to see happen to this plane, what happened to the University of Nevada's one-of-a-kind Tempo B-26 Invader conversion in March 1980.
 
My guess is these will not be penetration missions. Probably just flying close enough to the storm in order to get the soundings into the inflow. I don't think anything could really survive actually penetrating a super cell, the amount of energy in those things is incredible.
 
My guess is these will not be penetration missions. Probably just flying close enough to the storm in order to get the soundings into the inflow. I don't think anything could really survive actually penetrating a super cell, the amount of energy in those things is incredible.
That was exactly what the project manager has stated in some articles that I read.

This is rendering of what it's supposed to look like after the modifications:

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"Built as a tank killer, the Warthog is designed to stay in the air after sustaining heavy damage. If the plane’s hydraulic system fails, the pilot can continue to fly using a system of cables that controls the rudder, ailerons and elevators. If it loses part of a wing, the plane still can limp home. And if it loses one of its two engines, the pilot still can land using the remaining engine.

Schneider, a U.S. Air Force veteran, said that durability gives the Warthog an advantage over other jets, which aren’t able to continue flying after such damage.

Eric Zivko, the company’s vice president for operations, said the structure of the plane will be more or less the same once the project is complete. Most of the work is in removing the Warthog’s weapons systems and replacing them with research equipment, he said.

Because the weapons systems are so heavily tied in with the rest of the plane, the process amounts to more than just pulling the plane’s cannon out and replacing it with other equipment. Certain systems will need to be rewired to work with new equipment, he said, and mechanics are upgrading the plane to allow for de-icing in wintry conditions.


“That’s a pretty big job,” he said.

Bob Bluth, director of the Center for Interdisciplinary Remotely-Piloted Aircraft Studies, said the modified Warthog will replace a T-28 Trojan that researchers at South Dakota School of Mines and Technology’s Institute of Atmospheric Science had used to fly into thunderstorms.

Shortly before the T-28 was retired in 2005, National Science Foundation researchers began to discuss what would replace it. A group of scientists selected the Warthog for its power, maneuverability and, most of all, its durability, he said.

“It’s a flying tank,” Bluth said.

Although the jet’s cockpit is already protected by a heavy layer of armor, Bluth said the team is upgrading the armor in other areas to protect fragile instruments.

Hailstones are a particular concern, he said. Researchers never will send the plane into hail intentionally, he said, but it’s a possibility in any thunderstorm.

The plane’s weight and power also give it an advantage over unmanned planes, Bluth said. Unmanned aircraft can be useful at lower altitudes or on the outskirts of a storm, but they would be buffetted by heavy winds in the storm’s center. The Warthog will be able to build enough momentum to carry itself through the storm, he said.

The Warthog’s new mission is a drastic shift from flying missions in Afghanistan. But many of the qualities the plane needed for combat are the same ones that make it a good candidate for storm research. From that standpoint, he said, the Warthog should be right at home in its new role.

“You carry bombs on the wings and drop them off,” Bluth said. “We’re just going to carry pods on the wings with instruments and not drop them off.”

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"The A-10 is notorious for its toughness and ability to stay in the fight, even after sustaining heavy damage. But now the jet will be facing a new enemy.

“It’s not built for speed, it was built to loiter and stay over top of the battle field to protect the army,” said A-10 Aircraft Program Manager and Crew Chief Vince Schneider. “The mission of this aircraft is to get close to the storm.”

In place of its GAU-8 Avenger 30 mm rotary cannon and other armament, this A-10 will be outfitted with a new computer system and a slew of sensors.


A computer server system will be installed where the weapons system used to be. The system will use sensors on the wings to detect things like wind speed, pressure and movement of a storm. The information is then sent to researchers working on the ground.

"So they'll get real time, first-hand knowledge of whatever it is they want to sample," Schneider said.

After the A-10 maneuvers into position above the storm, it will drop the sensors from the wing tips and wheel pods. As the sensors fall through the storm, they’ll relay the collected information to scientists on the ground, giving them “real-time, first-hand knowledge of whatever it is they want to sample.”


What's odd is that there was an article about this 3 years ago in Popular Science and then I found some photos taken at Davis-Monthan of an A-10 being modified for this new role. So I don't know if this is another plane, the same one or what happened time wise in between then and now.
 
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This site has a pretty good rundown on the mission of the current T-28 that they want to replace with the Hawg.

Most telling are some of the pictures post beating.

http://ztresearch.wordpress.com/tag/t-28-storm-penetrating-aircraft/

The biggest advantage I see with the Hawg is having a hydraulically assisted control system which does not rely on an on board computer or FMS. That will give the pilot more control authority against the heavy weather effects without the cost of losing it all from a lightning strike.
 
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