Reduced crew

///AMG said:
Single pilot won't be a long duration endeavor. If they fall for that, they'll fall for zero pilot
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This is one the reasons I stayed corporate during this hiring boom. I have 25 years left and I don’t see two pilots in the cockpit for airliners lasting that long. I don’t see single pilot happening in 5 years but it will at some point assuming they can bypass the security issues it presents. On the corporate side at least for the family I fly for, they have made it clear they would never set foot on a plane that doesn’t have two people in the front invested in the safe outcome. Single pilot jets like the phenom 300 have existed for along time yet they are rarely actually flown single pilot in the corporate world


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Yeh let’s wait for the A-320S type rating. Then we’ll know it’s a thing. Same for Multi Crew Co-operation being canned.
 
It isn't just Airbus working over there on this stuff, Dassault is moving forward with this on the Falcon 10X.

Dassault is anticipating a potential need for reduced crew operations, which could be one pilot flying while the other rests and only two pilots flying long-range trips. Thus, the flight deck design reflects this concept, with the pilot seats able to be fully reclined to facilitate extended minimum crew operations, allowing one pilot to sleep in place while the other operates the aircraft. This would be allowed only above FL200, and Dassault has already begun discussions with regulators on how this capability can be certified.
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That being said my Part 91 job I flew both Falcons and a King Air 350 and while my BE300 type rating is unrestricted (single pilot) we never operated it that way. And they continue to fly their PC-24 in a similar fashion, single pilot type ratings flown as a crew. The thing to watch out for in those type of jobs is while that is the rule now, all it takes is a change in leadership and that will end whatever protections you thought you had.

I feel much better protected with my union and PAC looking after me than what I had under part 91.
 
///AMG said:
Single pilot won't be a long duration endeavor. If they fall for that, they'll fall for zero pilot
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Won't be long duration in that the industry will shortly stop pursuing the idea, or that single pilot won't be for long duration flights?
 
Maybe I’m an optimist but just don’t see this happening anytime soon. Sure the airplane will be able to do it but that’s not the biggest obstacle IMO.
 
JordanD said:
There’s a lot of glaring problems with the ATC system that would need to be fixed before it could be even remotely viable.
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I know it’s popular to • on AI but building ATC sequences is exactly the kind of thing computers would be good at.
 
I just don't see it for another couple of decades at least. The sheer amount of investment required in aircraft, infrastructure (comms, up time guarantee, latency - all especially over water) public trust and the general pace that regulators move is in our favor.

Airplanes thankfully remain fickle machines, so for some time going forward we definitely have leverage. Just the other night we canceled because the airplane thought it had more fuel on board than it really did. No amount of troubleshooting by the mechanics could figure it out and it was going to need some deeper work to solve. The amout of emergencies, odd situations and craptastic weather we've all seen will remain a solid argument going foward.
 
You want to know what's going to stave off single pilot/no pilot? Insurance. Who's going to take responsibility(pay out the wazoo) when something unfortunate happens? Software company of the autopilot? The airline? Who's insurance is going to pay all those families? Until they figure that out Sully/Skiles will always be upfront.

Like @Inverted25 said, at my part 91 management company, every client we have with a single pilot certified jet, certifies their pilots single pilot, but flies two pilots. Both by request and by the remarkably better insurance rate they get.
 
Inverted25 said:
This is one the reasons I stayed corporate during this hiring boom. I have 25 years left and I don’t see two pilots in the cockpit for airliners lasting that long. I don’t see single pilot happening in 5 years but it will at some point assuming they can bypass the security issues it presents. On the corporate side at least for the family I fly for, they have made it clear they would never set foot on a plane that doesn’t have two people in the front invested in the safe outcome. Single pilot jets like the phenom 300 have existed for along time yet they are rarely actually flown single pilot in the corporate world


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Wait until a flood of those useless airline pilots come over to the "safe" corporate world. No one is insulated from this.
 
arkflyr said:
It isn't just Airbus working over there on this stuff, Dassault is moving forward with this on the Falcon 10X.

Dassault is anticipating a potential need for reduced crew operations, which could be one pilot flying while the other rests and only two pilots flying long-range trips. Thus, the flight deck design reflects this concept, with the pilot seats able to be fully reclined to facilitate extended minimum crew operations, allowing one pilot to sleep in place while the other operates the aircraft. This would be allowed only above FL200, and Dassault has already begun discussions with regulators on how this capability can be certified.
www.ainonline.com

Dassault Falcon 10X On Track for 2025 Service Entry | AIN

Dassault's Falcon 10X has many new features, including composite wings, a T-tail, touchscreen avionics, Smart Throttle, and Rolls-Royce Pearl engines.
www.ainonline.com www.ainonline.com

That being said my Part 91 job I flew both Falcons and a King Air 350 and while my BE300 type rating is unrestricted (single pilot) we never operated it that way. And they continue to fly their PC-24 in a similar fashion, single pilot type ratings flown as a crew. The thing to watch out for in those type of jobs is while that is the rule now, all it takes is a change in leadership and that will end whatever protections you thought you had.

I feel much better protected with my union and PAC looking after me than what I had under part 91.
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They'll change their mind after the first couple of crashes. Look at the rate that private jets are crashing with two crew members and all the technology in the world. That number would surely go up with only 1.
 
KLB said:
They'll change their mind after the first couple of crashes. Look at the rate that private jets are crashing with two crew members and all the technology in the world. That number would surely go up with only 1.
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Also look at the Kobe crash. All that wealth and saving a buck being single pilot cost the lives of everyone
 
Wardogg said:
You want to know what's going to stave off single pilot/no pilot? Insurance. Who's going to take responsibility(pay out the wazoo) when something unfortunate happens? Software company of the autopilot? The airline? Who's insurance is going to pay all those families? Until they figure that out Sully/Skiles will always be upfront.
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Pilot hiring will definitely tighten, and not just the reduced numbers. Those pilots who are, shall we say, crew-dependent as pilots? Or otherwise identified early as not suitable/capable and/or lacking the skill/ability/SA required of single pilot ops?

Washed out.
 
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