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Flying with a student last night, as we finish run-up a 210 taxis along announcing "Centurion 1234 departing runway 2". aircraft stops 1/2 way out onto threshold abruptly...waits 20 seconds "uhhh correction, departing runway 20".... aircraft lines up and departs runway 24. :rolleyes:

I have a short chat with my student about how even with radios you cannot trust other pilots to do what they say they are doing and you need to keep your head on a swivel. Sometimes it'd almost be better if they didn't have radios and be presenting false information...

We depart Runway 20 (the real runway 20).... about 200' into the climb another 210 reports "we're 2 miles south of the field on a right base for runway 20".... o_O

Me, "uhhhm if you're south of the field on a right base that's runway 2 not 20".

Him, "uhhh, well, I dont think so...I mean my heading is 20".

:ooh:

:bang:

Winds were 210 at 10 gusting 15.

Down he goes to landing on 2.

OK, enough, just had to vent.
 
rframe said:
Flying with a student last night, as we finish run-up a 210 taxis along announcing "Centurion 1234 departing runway 2". aircraft stops 1/2 way out onto threshold abruptly...waits 20 seconds "uhhh correction, departing runway 20".... aircraft lines up and departs runway 24. :rolleyes:

I have a short chat with my student about how even with radios you cannot trust other pilots to do what they say they are doing and you need to keep your head on a swivel. Sometimes it'd almost be better if they didn't have radios and be presenting false information...

We depart Runway 20 (the real runway 20).... about 200' into the climb another 210 reports "we're 2 miles south of the field on a right base for runway 20".... o_O

Me, "uhhhm if you're south of the field on a right base that's runway 2 not 20".

Him, "uhhh, well, I dont think so...I mean my heading is 20".

:ooh:

:bang:

Winds were 210 at 10 gusting 15.

Down he goes to landing on 2.

OK, enough, just had to vent.
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I highlighted the problem areas for you. :D
 
Been a long time since I had flow piston and I was helping sell the family 152. On arrival to the small private field in Marin County I was monitoring the freq but had not announced yet. I usually just announce a 7 mile 5 mile and short final. Usually there is no other traffic and we also share a freq with another much busier airport. So I find it better to not make too many calls. Usually someone steps on me anyways.

So this guy announces he is "over San Pablo Bay, landing runway 24."

Oh boy this is gonna be fun :D

Me: Cessna 123ab 7 miles north east of the field at 2000 looking for the traffic. What is your bearing and distance from the airport? What is your altitude?

Guy Idiot: uh I'm a white Cessna over San Pablo bay

:facepalm

Me: well the bay is pretty big, can you be more specific? I don't have you in sight

GI: well I'm going fast and I'm landing, I am in sequence!

:facepalm

Me: Cessna 123ab 5 mile final 1300 feet traffic not in sight

GI: uh I'm uh I'm landing!

I see him he is not configured, too fast approaching final from about 3 miles

The last radio call was "uh I'm landing" he was too fast, unstable and had to go around. I was afraid he would have shut the runway down when he slid off it and was thankful he went around.

Not much had changed in piston GA I guess.
 
My student just finished his PPL checkride at KPTS and we were heading back over to KCNU. Just did the run up was about to depart when we hear.

Midget Mustang XXX on downwind for 4.

I look up and dude is hauling ass on the downwind and also quite low. As I watch him go downwind to final in one looping motion, I look over at my student and say. "Dude is gonna eat it"

Here he comes and bounce, bounce, bounce, flip flip flip flip flip, bang crash and off the runway in a ball just past the 4/34 intersection.

As he is coming to a rest his mic keys up and you can hear the the crunching sounds.

I key up and start yelling for the FBO staff to get out there and help him and the pilot keys up. "Uhhh, I'm alright guys" although he sounds like he got punched in the stomach.

The FBO guys run out there with their pickup and he's up and walking around. So I just say, lets get outta here before they close this place down. We took off on 34 cuz "Aint nobody got time for that"
 
rframe said:
Flying with a student last night, as we finish run-up a 210 Cirrus taxis along announcing "Centurion CIRRUS 1234 departing runway 2". aircraft stops 1/2 way out onto threshold abruptly...waits 20 seconds "uhhh correction, departing runway 20".... aircraft lines up and departs runway 24. :rolleyes:

I have a short chat with my student about how even with radios you cannot trust other pilots to do what they say they are doing and you need to keep your head on a swivel. Sometimes it'd almost be better if they didn't have radios and be presenting false information...

We depart Runway 20 (the real runway 20).... about 200' into the climb another 210 CIRRUS reports "we're 2 miles south of the field on a right base for runway 20".... o_O

Me, "uhhhm if you're south of the field on a right base that's runway 2 not 20".

Him, "uhhh, well, I dont think so...I mean my heading is 20".

Then they all pulled eachothers's 'cutes and lived happily ever after.

The end.

:ooh:

:bang:

Winds were 210 at 10 gusting 15.

Down he goes to landing on 2.

OK, enough, just had to vent.
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There! That's my version of the story!

#firstworldproblems
 
I uh... well I know this guy who has glanced at the runways at some untowered airport, and then announced a position to a runway that doesn't exist at that airport. Left downwind 35, runway is 32.
Or I guess what is more common is "left downwind runway......... (20 seconds later) left downwind runway 32."
 
Not being particularly close to perfect, I've caught myself announcing backwards when taking a runway at a non-towered airport for departure. Also forgetting the runway number itself.

A few years ago, during a checkout in a new-to-me airplane, the CFI I worked with made a simple suggestion to avoid it and the related announcement of the wrong runway altogether. set the heading bug (if you have one) on the runway numbers well ahead of time.

And, no, the CFI's recommendation wasn't the result of a bad call on my part. Just something he had come across as a cross-check for confirming the correct runway and as a way of avoiding ground and traffic pattern related collisions due to bad calls.
 
Flying into KLOT yesterday, I announce a left downwind for 20. A guy comes up and warns me that he's straight in for 27 at that time. Funny as 27 is NOTAM'd closed and its also announced in the AWOS message......That coupled with the fact a good middle portion of the runway is missing and has X's on either end should have been easy to see if you're on final.

I keyed up and told him it was a closed runway and he responded, "We will just see when I get there" Really?
 
jskibo said:
Flying into KLOT yesterday, I announce a left downwind for 20. A guy comes up and warns me that he's straight in for 27 at that time. Funny as 27 is NOTAM'd closed and its also announced in the AWOS message......That coupled with the fact a good middle portion of the runway is missing and has X's on either end should have been easy to see if you're on final.

I keyed up and told him it was a closed runway and he responded, "We will just see when I get there" Really?
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Pipe down rookie. :p

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jskibo said:
Flying into KLOT yesterday, I announce a left downwind for 20. A guy comes up and warns me that he's straight in for 27 at that time. Funny as 27 is NOTAM'd closed and its also announced in the AWOS message......That coupled with the fact a good middle portion of the runway is missing and has X's on either end should have been easy to see if you're on final.

I keyed up and told him it was a closed runway and he responded, "We will just see when I get there" Really?
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Was he a United State Senator? Runway closures dont apply to them.
 
The number of times I hear experienced pilots making right traffic at an airport with a left traffic pattern... Usually it's those hot stuff freight pilots 'entering right base'.

You aren't. You're making a straight in. Just announce it that way, fly the same path, and you aren't admitting to a violation on every radio transmission.

91.126 people!
 
NickH said:
The number of times I hear experienced pilots making right traffic at an airport with a left traffic pattern... Usually it's those hot stuff freight pilots 'entering right base'.

You aren't. You're making a straight in. Just announce it that way, fly the same path, and you aren't admitting to a violation on every radio transmission.

91.126 people!
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I hear ya, this is basically the only regulation you can find regarding traffic patterns (everything else are "recommendations" in the AIM), yet people will argue everything else (height/width/entries/configuration/etc) and then willingly bust the only reg that actually exists.

I hear literally every day "...Lear/Citation/Hawker/whatever 10 miles south planning an extended right base for 06" because they want to save 90 seconds. Like you said, why not just stay wide and announce the straight in?

Really I dont even care, at least they are where they say they are which is better than many... but I do find it funny that people so regularly transmit their violations on the radio.
 
Tuesday I heard a pilot Ina 150 say

"Cessna 1234 uuh my gps is showing 20 miles northwest and im uuh inbound to overfly uuh at pattern altitude and maneuver for the uuh 45degree left downwind for uhh........runway uuh 27"

Followed by 10 seconds of radio silence and then

"Cessna 1234 uuh my gps is showing 19 miles northwest and im uuh inbound to overfly uuh at pattern altitude and maneuver for the uuh 45degree left downwind for uhh........runway uuh 27"

And so on every mile until he landed on runway 11
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DBrown said:
Tuesday I heard a pilot Ina 150 say

"Cessna 1234 uuh my gps is showing 20 miles northwest and im uuh inbound to overfly uuh at pattern altitude and maneuver for the uuh 45degree left downwind for uhh........runway uuh 27"
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Love the guys and gals who give a 45 second running narrative of their mind during radio transmissions:

"errrr uhhhhh podunk area uhh traffic, this is uhhh bonanza 154, I'm ahhh uhhhm a red bonanza, and uhhh about ohhh 10 miles east, noooo north east, looks like I'm over a town, uhhhh yeah will follow this highway in, to uhhh sounds like runway 25 is active (note there is no such runway)"... key silence...."planning to visit the restaurant and get some fuel..." key silence...." and uh we're at 5 thousand, no 5 thousand 4 hundred and indicating 140......" key silence......"uhhh popdunk area traffic".....key silence...."uhhh any other traffic in the area uhhhh please advise".... followed by keyed mic for another 10 seconds of breathe noise.
 
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