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One of the more clueless statements I've seen on JC. In time, I think you'll find coerced democracy to be a threat to both regional political stability AND the supply of oil. Moreover, the Bush administration hasn't lifted a FINGER to ease oil prices, though they could in a heartbeat by opening up the US strategic oil reserves. With even Fed chair Alan Greenspan saying that oil prices and inflation are a serious threat to the delicate state our economy is in, why wouldn't the administration act? Because they're short-sighted Texas oilmen and they want things to get so bad that Congress relents and opens up all of Alaska for oil drilling.

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Your right that would be a great move open up the strategic reserves to lower my price at the pump. Who cares that we would be putting a group of countries that control crude in a great position to invade us. You know we would have a hard time fighting off an attack with out fuel, hence its name the strategic reserve. Your right though I would rather be able to pay 15 bucks to fill up my vette then 40, that way when we are taken over I could have some spending cash.

Guess if you want the strategic reserves opened to lower prices you should probably file your plan in that same clueless bin you reference.

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I can not but laugh everytime that somebody mentions the "country invading us" thing.
I'm no military analyst, but common sense tells me that the idea of a task force crosisng the Oceans to land in the United States is very unlikely.
Besides if the situation gets very bad I'm sure that the US wouldn't have big problems taking control over Oil countries.
As matter of fact, there is a permanent Military presence in Saudi Arabia, and now Irak.

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So how long did it take us to start exporting oil in Iraq? When we had ample resources and were fighting against small forces. Now let’s see if we had a limited oil supply leading to limited equipment movements and were fighting several well prepared forces in several locations. No way would we be able to take over those countries quick enough to offset the depleted oil supply. Yes, the US being invaded is unlikely but you want to take that chance and open that door so that you can have cheaper gas? I hardly consider 2 or 3 bucks a gallon needs to open up a reserve which could have those consequences.
 
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I can not but laugh everytime that somebody mentions the "country invading us" thing.
I'm no military analyst, but common sense tells me that the idea of a task force crosisng the Oceans to land in the United States is very unlikely.
Besides if the situation gets very bad I'm sure that the US wouldn't have big problems taking control over Oil countries.
As matter of fact, there is a permanent Military presence in Saudi Arabia, and now Irak.

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A military doesn't necessarily need to cross the oceans to invade the US in a conventional sense, the US is fully susceptible to attack from within in an unconventional sense.

BTW, we're already being invaded daily from the south by Vincente Fox from the number of illegals he freely turns a blind eye to at the Mexican border.
 
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I can not but laugh everytime that somebody mentions the "country invading us" thing.
I'm no military analyst, but common sense tells me that the idea of a task force crosisng the Oceans to land in the United States is very unlikely.
Besides if the situation gets very bad I'm sure that the US wouldn't have big problems taking control over Oil countries.
As matter of fact, there is a permanent Military presence in Saudi Arabia, and now Irak.

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A military doesn't necessarily need to cross the oceans to invade the US in a conventional sense, the US is fully susceptible to attack from within in an unconventional sense.

BTW, we're already being invaded daily from the south by Vincente Fox from the number of illegals he freely turns a blind eye to at the Mexican border.

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A diehard republican friend of mine said that he likes illegals in this country. He feels illegals need to be in the US to fill the less rewarding jobs that americans don't fill, ie fast food, construction, landcaping.

When I heard this, I almost puked, he is what is wrong with this country. But what do I know.....
 
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Guess if you want the strategic reserves opened to lower prices you should probably file your plan in that same clueless bin you reference.

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Ooops, looks like someone doesn't understand why the strategic reserves exist! Sleep through class that day? From the DOE website:

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The U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve is the largest stockpile of government-owned emergency crude oil in the world. Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy. It also allows the United States to meet part of its International Energy Agency obligation to maintain emergency oil stocks, and it provides a national defense fuel reserve.

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While we're not in the midst of an all-out oil embargo, we'r certainly in the grasp of a deliberate constriction of supply--to the benefit of no one but the oil producing countries and the petroleum industry (whose profit margin is a percentage, so the more they have to pay for crude, the greater their profits). Nonetheless, the U.S. economy is certainly threatened by the current oil situation and yet the administration refuses to act for reasons that have nothing to do with defense.
 
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Besides we don't need to see democracy and stability in the middle east. As aviators we could care less about the supply of oil! We're better than all that!

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One of the more clueless statements I've seen on JC. In time, I think you'll find coerced democracy to be a threat to both regional political stability AND the supply of oil.

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Believe me, being called clueless by anyone who doesn't see the benefit to all of a world-wide democratic movement makes me feel, well, clued. I guess coercing (another word for liberating?) Japan and western Europe and eventually eastern Europe into democracies is bound to backfire on us someday.

In the meantime have you seen the pictures of all the hot Lebanese chicks demonstrating in Beirut? That's got to be a good thing.

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Weren't Democrats supposed to be the silly idealists.

Also, if a billion people MUST travel by air, the airlines might consider hiking up the prices to reflect the incrase in demand, thus bringing in more money to hire more pilots.
 
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Weren't Democrats supposed to be the silly idealists.

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Yes, it was JFK who said:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."


Sadly, that Democratic party doesn't exist anymore. And BTW I'm not a Republican.

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Also, if a billion people MUST travel by air, the airlines might consider hiking up the prices to reflect the incrase in demand, thus bringing in more money to hire more pilots.

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Probably so. They may have to wait until those people actually start flying though.
 
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A diehard republican friend of mine said that he likes illegals in this country. He feels illegals need to be in the US to fill the less rewarding jobs that americans don't fill, ie fast food, construction, landcaping.

When I heard this, I almost puked, he is what is wrong with this country. But what do I know.....

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Unfortunately this proves that Washington is really an oligarchy and that neither party is looking out for what is best for America. Demicans and Republicrats, neither one of them will do anything about the problem. Vote for Bush, get more illegals. Vote for Kerry, get more illegals as well. We should do something like an "oil for illegals" program, where mexico gives us one barrel of oil a year for every illegal in the country.

At least that snake hillary clinton is smart enough to lie about wanting to get tough on illegals to try to dupe the average sheeple into thinking she's moderate. If she really cared she would have done something while her husband let the number go from 3 million to something like 9.
 
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So....again......about those load factors and the number of pilots the airlines are gonna need in the next few years..........

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Why do you always keep trying to start trouble Mike???
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Guess if you want the strategic reserves opened to lower prices you should probably file your plan in that same clueless bin you reference.

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Ooops, looks like someone doesn't understand why the strategic reserves exist! Sleep through class that day? From the DOE website:

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The U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve is the largest stockpile of government-owned emergency crude oil in the world. Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy. It also allows the United States to meet part of its International Energy Agency obligation to maintain emergency oil stocks, and it provides a national defense fuel reserve.

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While we're not in the midst of an all-out oil embargo, we'r certainly in the grasp of a deliberate constriction of supply--to the benefit of no one but the oil producing countries and the petroleum industry (whose profit margin is a percentage, so the more they have to pay for crude, the greater their profits). Nonetheless, the U.S. economy is certainly threatened by the current oil situation and yet the administration refuses to act for reasons that have nothing to do with defense.

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Ok??? You found a FAQ on a website that only helps my argument, and you think I slept through class? Maybe you should read the FAQ at face value. So tell me, how do you know the reason that the current administration refuses to act has nothing to do with defense? I would love to see your evidence! Can you even produce any? The economy is not crippled due to fuel supply or crude prices at this moment, the only ones that are suffering are mismanaged companies! If you think the current price of fuel is crippling the economy then you have some major issues, although it isn't the best for the economy it is far from crippling it.

Since you think releasing the reserves is such a great idea, you ever stop and think we paid around 20-30 dollars per barrel for the current reserve. Well after we supplement the current production with oil from the reserve a few things will happen.

-Oil prices in the US will go down
-Oil will be used
-Levels in the reserves will drop
-Demand will still allow oil producers to charge $40+ per barrel even with the US supplementing supplies

So how does it make sense to use the oil reserve to provide a temporary drop in prices only to have to pay more to replenish the reserve? Who do you think will pay the difference in price to fill that reserve back up? When and if the economy is ever crippled then supply will be released and that cost to replenish it will be justified.

BTW I don't like the current gas prices since most of my cars are pretty bad on gas but it is not crippling.

-Sean
04 Z06 Corvette
99 Suburban
98 Trans Am
00 BMW my only hope with current gas prices
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I can not but laugh everytime that somebody mentions the "country invading us" thing.
I'm no military analyst, but common sense tells me that the idea of a task force crosisng the Oceans to land in the United States is very unlikely.
Besides if the situation gets very bad I'm sure that the US wouldn't have big problems taking control over Oil countries.
As matter of fact, there is a permanent Military presence in Saudi Arabia, and now Irak.

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A military doesn't necessarily need to cross the oceans to invade the US in a conventional sense, the US is fully susceptible to attack from within in an unconventional sense.

BTW, we're already being invaded daily from the south by Vincente Fox from the number of illegals he freely turns a blind eye to at the Mexican border.

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Well is a question of survival and the quest for a better life, something that your ancestors tried to achieve when they came to this land.
If it was the other way around ( you poor, they rich) then maybe you will be the one trying to sneak across the border.
This is a consequence of living in a world with such extreme differences in wealth.
The US government dos not take any action against this illegal immigrants, because they are a necessary work force, (imagine if they'd deport all the illegal Mexicans in New York City, the restaurant business would collapse), but in the other hand doesn't want to adjust their status, because that would be BIG BIG bucks.
And one more thing they were here waaaayyyyyyy before us, with a develop civilization, until the Europeans came and F@#$ck everything for them. And now we sit at at the table of opulence, while they clean our dishes and fix our garden.
 
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Well is a question of survival and the quest for a better life, something that your ancestors tried to achieve when they came to this land.
If it was the other way around ( you poor, they rich) then maybe you will be the one trying to sneak across the border.
This is a consequence of living in a world with such extreme differences in wealth.
The US government dos not take any action against this illegal immigrants, because they are a necessary work force, (imagine if they'd deport all the illegal Mexicans in New York City, the restaurant business would collapse), but in the other hand doesn't want to adjust their status, because that would be BIG BIG bucks.
And one more thing they were here waaaayyyyyyy before us, with a develop civilization, until the Europeans came and F@#$ck everything for them. And now we sit at at the table of opulence, while they clean our dishes and fix our garden.

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Mariano, you make very good points. Unfortunately, this is not the place to discuss that topic. Yes, illegals give way more than they take; but you know what, people don't care, and they won't listen. So no point in mentioning it here.

One more thing WE ALL MADE OUR POINTS. AND WE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OUR MINDS, so what's the point in discussing.
Keep it about aviation please.
 
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www.arguepolitics.com

More than enough to go around over there, and we could use the traffic.

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Holy smokes that place is like the black hole of the internet one could spend their whole life on that site.
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The economy is not crippled due to fuel supply or crude prices at this moment, the only ones that are suffering are mismanaged companies! If you think the current price of fuel is crippling the economy then you have some major issues, although it isn't the best for the economy it is far from crippling it.

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Take a macroeconomics class sometime, dood. Energy costs have a huge ripple effect.

Oil, interest rates a 1-2 punch?

Bush worried about rising gas prices

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The economy is not crippled due to fuel supply or crude prices at this moment, the only ones that are suffering are mismanaged companies! If you think the current price of fuel is crippling the economy then you have some major issues, although it isn't the best for the economy it is far from crippling it.

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Take a macroeconomics class sometime, dood. Energy costs have a huge ripple effect.


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Hey dood, been there done that. When did I say that energy cost doesn't have a ripple effect? I stated that the current crude price is not crippling the economy which it isn't! Do you not understand that or what? Is it hurting the economy sure, but it is not by any means crippling it. I find it funny you picked this portion of my post to make a comment about. Why don't you reply to the following?

"Since you think releasing the reserves is such a great idea, you ever stop and think we paid around 20-30 dollars per barrel for the current reserve. Well after we supplement the current production with oil from the reserve a few things will happen.

-Oil prices in the US will go down
-Oil will be used
-Levels in the reserves will drop
-Demand will still allow oil producers to charge $40+ per barrel even with the US supplementing supplies

So how does it make sense to use the oil reserve to provide a temporary drop in prices only to have to pay more to replenish the reserve? Who do you think will pay the difference in price to fill that reserve back up? When and if the economy is ever crippled then supply will be released and that cost to replenish it will be justified."

BTW You sure do seem worried about people missing class is that what happened to you or something?
 
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So....again......about those load factors and the number of pilots the airlines are gonna need in the next few years..........

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Why do you always keep trying to start trouble Mike???
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LOL. Just a vain attempt to keep this train-wreck on the correct topic track.......I see I'm not very successful at that.
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Oh man, I just now looked at who I was engaged with. Can somebody tell me what the he11 I am doing arguing with some troll with a whopping 20 posts?
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Oh man, I just now looked at who I was engaged with. Can somebody tell me what the he11 I am doing arguing with some troll with a whopping 20 posts?
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Maybe 'cause he makes good points? Post count doesn't directly correlate to intelligent discourse, now does it?
 
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