Reality Check

I think you posted your words in the wrong place planediveguy,
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heres the correct spot it should be posted
advertising@jetcareers.com
 
I was wondering where his post came from and what he meant. But then again if you look it was his first post so he was probably nervous and tongue twisted.
 
Actually I was not "tongue twisted"... I was just being polite...
I do not need to advertise, the school has a marketing department just for that. And thanks for actually adding to my point. The ones complaining here are the ones that did not perform to standards, or did not commit the time and effort, and as such did not succeed at the Academy, so they have an axe to grind. There are probably people that work in the other flight schools admission department and have their own agenda. And at last you will find the ones that are simply envious...

What is the problem with me giving good rep to DCA? I only have good things to say and I don't get anything in return from them for writiing in this forum. As a former student and now Instructor I wanted to make clear to you that are surfing this forum that people do succeed and do get hired. I've seen it firsthand. Very few of the instructors that went for an interview this last year did not get hired. And for some of them the school even got them a second chance with a different airline.

Aviation is not for everyone and you are not entitled to anything just because you paid for tuition. You have to study and KNOW the stuff and most importantly you must PERFORM.

By the way montanapilot... nice picture!
 
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What about for my flight school/flight instructor to bend over backwards and go out of his/her way, doing everything possible to give me the chance to succeed??
 
It all depends on the definition of " bent over backwards"!

The majority of the instructors will do anything within their means to help and guide you through your studies. But they can 't take written tests for you and they cannot fly for you. The system is not perfect and sometimes you get events ( flights) cancelled due to maintenance or weather... If you talk to the right people instead of whining, you can get a credit for a free review flight in some instances as I did.

But if you expect something like: -" Oh , we are so sorry Mr.Wannabe Airline Pilot, actually the stage check instructor was wrong for giving your performance an unsatisfactory grade! He should not hold you to PTS since you are special! And don't you worry about the review flight tomorrow morning, we know that you have more important things like going out to drink with your buddies tonight. We will not let your instructor get on your case because you did not prepare for the flight! Alll you have to do is memorize, don't study!, the Gleim to get your 70% on the written, get gouges for every oral stage checks and barely maintain PTS on all the flights. Don't you worry a thing, you don't really SUCK and we will guarantee you will get hired! Happy now????"

By the way, please tell Santa that I wan't a Lamborghini Murcielago for X-Mas!!!!!!
 
Hi Doug,

You will not see me talking about other schools in this forum. I find that the info you have in the site is VERY helpful and would like to thank you for your efforts.

I am having fun...
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The people that hate the Academy will hate it forever, you can't change the world planediveguy. I love my job and thats all i care about and it sounds like you do to.

I wish we could use this DCA message board to post positive things about the Academy, or even how we can make it better. Actually one of the better posts is DCA Diary, and i wish there were more like it. I just hate the b*tch fest.

Happy flying to all and all a goodmorning!
 
Well if you know must know I was talking with yankee about the discount DCA give to Delta employees and was telling him about my 2 not 1 but 2 visits and how bad of experience they were. He informed me a bunch has changed since then. I am not knocking DCA, I can go to the ATA forum do diss on a school. Your original statement came out of left field. I glad you are happy there and more power to you but as I said I was expressing my past experience there with Yankee.
 
No....

"The ones complaining here are the ones that did not perform to standards, or did not commit the time and effort, and as such did not succeed at the Academy, so they have an axe to grind."

Not everyone complaining here meets your profile. I only complain about DCA's marketing and ads, which are misleading. I'll also speak up when people knock the non-academy route to the airlines, as that's the way all my friends and I took.
 
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DE you are correct most of the time the ones complaining didnt study or give it all. PTS is PTS and that is the standard for every flight test for the FAA. If you do the manuevers within limits then you are fine and if not you need to practice more.
 
The Flight Training forum for most of the schools has had a slightly negative tinge to it since I introduced them four years ago, but that's the nature of the internet.

It's really a double edged sword. I'd like to attract a more balanced group down to the flight training forums, but it could either end up like the Pan Am forums where it's a virtual food fight, or really work like the ATP forum where it's balanced and informational.

You can set the table, pull out the fine china and make a pot roast, but you still won't have a dinner party until your guests show up.

Dang, that was "Dr. Phil".
 
Yeah, that recipe from Alton Brown's "Good Eats" on the Food Network kind of sucks.
 
i have never washed out, busted a ride, or had an axe to grind, and am certainly not envious cause I do have the money to go to an academy if i wanted to. I just dont wanna see people get lied to with scandalous advertising. (See the post "Nice Ad By The Way"

I think these places try to convice people that you need to drop alot of dough in order to get quality training. There is no need to drop 60-80G's when you can get the same thing at an FBO for around 25G's. The same FAA that comes up with the standards for the academies also puts for the regs for FBO's.


Glad you like the avatar. I could always go back to James Brown or Courtney love (my personal favorite)
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The Avatar is quite funny! There is no question that you can get all the same licenses for a fraction of the cost in any FBO...

Are 141 schools expensive? You bet! I dropped 65k on my training, but the real question is this...How much time are you willing to invest on time building and qualifying for the airline interview?

There are furloughed pilots out there with over 5000 hours looking for a job... and they have part 121 operations experience! Well, you can spend around 25K for your certs... in probably as little as 400 hours...See the picture?

Gee, who am I going to hire? the 5000 hours experienced guy, or the 400 hours week-end warrior? OK planediveguy don't be stupid! People get instructor jobs for time building at FBO's too...indeed and you do have to get at least around 2500 hours total time for them to even bother looking into your resume. How long does that take on average at FBO's? 3 ,4, or maybe 5 years?

DCA Instructors are getting hired to fly regional jets with 1100 total hours and 3 years since zero time on average.

All things considered I'd rather invest the extra $$$ and save the time.

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How much time are you willing to invest on time building and qualifying for the airline interview?


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The bare minimum. If the cert is the same and I pass the same checkride, I'm shopping for the low price.

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People get instructor jobs for time building at FBO's too...indeed and you do have to get at least around 2500 hours total time for them to even bother looking into your resume.


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But I know more than a few FBO flight instructors that have gotten hired with far less than 2500 hours....



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DCA Instructors are getting hired to fly regional jets with 1100 total hours and 3 years since zero time on average.


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Hmmm....
 
Hey Cyrcadian,

I feel sorry for anyone that had a bad experience at DCA or any other school. I had a GREAT ONE and am enjoying every minute of it as an instructor. My posts are for the guys that are considering DCA as their training option. I felt that I needed to give the positive side so they could get a balanced view.
 
Hi Lloyd!

Check Airlineinterviews.com for gouges on Comair and Chautauqua airlines interviews.... there you will see some of the DCA guys that were hired and with far less time than the military or the furloughed guys...( the DCA guys are the ones with 1100 to 1300 hours and MEI and CFII certificates )

The guy who taught me private and commercial single engine started First Officer training for Chautauqua on July 9th, My Instrument Instructors both got hired by Comair and class starts next month. My MEI's are both FLYING the right seat of a CRJ at Comair, My CFI Instructor is waiting for his class date, and my CFII Instructor is flying for Chautauqua.... How many guys from your FBO have been hired by a regional airline for a position to fly JETS in the last 12 months?
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