Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/and V

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Pilotbob34

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I was hoping to get real world performance numbers for

Fuel Burn @ Cruise

1st hour
2nd Hour
3rd hour

and expected cruise speed.

Also, will all 4 of these planes comfortably operate out of a 4000 foot strip?

Thanks!
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

I can help with the Bravo, It usually does 1200 1st Hr, 1000 2nd, 900 third. Expected cruise.. Not very fast :) I honestly cannot recall the TAS I would guess around 380 TAS(and yeah you can do 4000 ft with it no prob).

I fly an Ultra which is pretty similar to the 5. It does 1600 first hr, 1400 2nd hr, 1200 3rd hr. TAS is usally around 410-415ish. 4000ft should be fine for this plane as well.
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Thanks Crockrocket! Hey what are the ranges for the Bravo and Ultra (say 2 pilot/4 pas +IFR reserve)?

Anyone have a back up for him on the numbers for the V? What about speed on the V?
I found the fuel for the II, but would like a real world expected speed still.

TIA!
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

For the Ultra, I cant really give you distances, I mean, it depends on the winds. Ive never made it out to Aspen non stop from my base, which is Latrobe, roughly 1260 miles. If we really pushed it maybe. But we would also be stepping up to 450 wrong way :)

With 4 pax, we cant do full fuel,(max ramp weight limiting) it holds 5800 normally, but we would prob have to take a few hundred off either for the pax or the fuel, whichever is more important :) Our company has specific fuel mins, which are slightly more than the IFR mins, so we prob play it a little safer than we have too.




So in that case, you would need a stop.
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We constantly fly from PA to South FL in the Bravo nonstop with 4-6 pax , although thats not very far. OUr Bravos can almost do 4pax and full tanks but its about 100 lbs over MRW. So again, close. Depends on the BOW of your airplane.



Since youve listed a bunch of CE500s, another one that is really good is the Encore. I know its got a higher price tag, but it has ALOT of good features that make it well worth it. Hot wing, more power, trailing link gear(similar to bravo).

Also, one thing about the Bravo, it can be a real dog getting to the upper Flight levels. It will get to 38/39 usually, but it gets a bit sluggish pushing through the 40s especially when it gets close to + on the ISA. Just a planning FYI.

The ultra does pretty good, although if its isa+10, it cane be the same.

Never had any problems with the Encores. They are by far my fav 500 series.
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Crockrocket's numbers on the Bravo are good. If you want to figure range, use those hourly burn rates, 4,860# total fuel load, and 1,200# IFR reserves. 380 to 390 knots cruise is realistic.

4,000' runway will be OK, except watch out for wet or contaminated runway. Landing numbers for the Bravo start to get long under adverse conditions.

Another way to get realisitic numbers is to use fltplan.com. Set up a dummy profile for each plane and just use the website's performance numbers. Those will give you a good representation of speeds and fuel burns.

Also a quick Google search and this site looks like fairly accurate information on the Bravo. I'd assume that the other aircraft data is reasonable as well.


edit to add: C.R. put up his post above while I was writing this one. A couple more points to add; our Bravo's typically have a B.O.W. of around 9,600#, but we probably have more weight in stock and misc. stuff than other operators. 15,000# max ramp weight, minus 9,600# B.O.W., minus 4,860# max. fuel will allow a total payload of 540 pounds pax and bags (and that is assuming 200# fuel burn for taxi because max take-off weight is 14,800#). Other operators probably have B.O.W. weights as much as 200 pounds less, so 700# payload with full fuel is not out of the question I suppose.

I suspect, having met crockrocket's chief pilot, that their fuel reserve numbers are similar to ours.
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Both of our Bravos have BOWs of 9500#.

Our ultras have 10020 and 10100#.

Get the lighter ones if possible :)
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Thank you gentlemen!

I too love the numbers for the encores but given our budget (buyer wants to stay very close to 1.5m) the Encores are out of the running. I suspect we will also probably not find an Ultra or Bravo unless we get lucky finding someone wanting out fast. The II and V are the most likely candidates, and with the gross weight mod I saw from New Flight the II seems to really be an attractive plane. I am drawn to the V for the added speed. Either of you guys have a quick differences between the V and Ultra (I know the ramp weight and engines are slightly different).

Thanks again1
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

I had replied to this eariler, apparently it never went through.

yeah you're right about the ramp weight.


Ultra V
Max Ramp - 16500 16100
Thrust per side - 3045 2900
Avionics - Primus 1000 SPZ500
Different climb schedules...



Really besides some emer items and some other stuff, isnt that much difference. I havent flown a V personally though.

Let me know if you need more about the V because I have both FSI flight manuals here.
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Don't know much about slowtations, but while fltplan's numbers are a good place to start, I have found them to be pretty seriously pessimistic for the beatchjet/"hawker"400xp, etc. On the order of 500lbs of fuel pessimistic for a "long" (3 hours in a beatchjet is "long") leg.
 
Re: Real world performance numbers for Citation bravo/II/V/a

Fltplan always has about 100 lbs more than it needs it seems to me. Thats for the Ultra, Bravo, Encore, Excel and VII
 
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