Real ID

The problem isn't so much the cost of the ID but the cost, and sometimes even the ability, of lower income persons providing the supporting documents needed to meet the requirements for eligibility of one. People who live in rural communities often don't have nearby access to a DMV facility so it's an entire day affair to get one meaning time off work. Those born at home may not have a birth certificate, as well as older Americans who's birth records have either never existed or have been lost due to storage/database issues occurring over the years. People who cannot afford their own home and cohabitate may not have their names on any of the appropriate mail to prove residence, let alone homeless persons.

It's similar to the arguments against voter ID laws. It isn't so much the cost of the ID itself but the time value of spending the effort for poorer communities in getting the required proof which is often made to be of a specific nature and which, coincidentally, is also placed in a system where access to that information is made to be difficult for certain communities to access.

When I got my real ID the ID itself cost me $20. I thankfully was able to go on a regular day off but not everyone is so fortunate to be able to go to the MVD at 11 am on a Wednesday without taking time off from work which is usually unpaid for the lowest wage earners. I also had to spend about $90 on various filing and printing fees to get the necessary supporting documents. For a major airline captain that's nothing. For someone making $15/hr that could literally be a days worth of wages spent on getting the ID if you include time off from work.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
What does being poor have to do with Real ID? It’s $16 to get an ID in my state.
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want to rethink that comment...?

If the government requires it (for just being a productive citizen) then it should be payed by the government...otherwise it's a tax on poor people (it's also a "tax" on wealthy people but it literally doesn't affect them)
 
CFIT99 said:
want to rethink that comment...?

If the government requires it (for just being a productive citizen) then it should be payed by the government...otherwise it's a tax on poor people (it's also a "tax" on wealthy people but it literally doesn't affect them)
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We're talking about a requirement to clear security to fly on an airplane, not to buy a loaf of bread. If you can afford a plane ticket, you can afford a nominal fee to identify yourself, but call me crazy.
 
I'll tell a little story. I went through the torture of going to the CA DMV to renew my drivers license back in '18 and I figured I'd just bring along all of the stuff to get a real id because carrying a passport domestically seemed like too much work not to mention mine had recently expired. I had more than what they wanted, my original birth certificate, utility bills and mortgage payment receipts. It was a dismal experience, I should've known it was going to be horrible because it's the CA DMV, and once I'd jumped through all of the hoops they took my picture and I looked like a bedraggled hobo on my fancy new real id when I got it in the mail. I'm just saying it was an enormous pain in my ass. Earlier this year I moved to Texas and had to do the same thing, I was expecting the worst and was completely blown away by how efficient and quickly they got it done. In CA it literally took almost 5 hours, in TX I was in and out in about 1/2 hour. On my new real id I still look like a bedraggled hobo but it's not their fault.
 
knot4u said:
I'll tell a little story. I went through the torture of going to the CA DMV to renew my drivers license back in '18 and I figured I'd just bring along all of the stuff to get a real id because carrying a passport domestically seemed like too much work not to mention mine had recently expired. I had more than what they wanted, my original birth certificate, utility bills and mortgage payment receipts. It was a dismal experience, I should've known it was going to be horrible because it's the CA DMV, and once I'd jumped through all of the hoops they took my picture and I looked like a bedraggled hobo on my fancy new real id when I got it in the mail. I'm just saying it was an enormous pain in my ass. Earlier this year I moved to Texas and had to do the same thing, I was expecting the worst and was completely blown away by how efficient and quickly they got it done. In CA it literally took almost 5 hours, in TX I was in and out in about 1/2 hour. On my new real id I still look like a bedraggled hobo but it's not their fault.
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Is there a population difference between where you left and where you live now? I came from a city in Florida that has a population of 800,000, and it was miserable dealing with the DMV. Here in Cincitucky, my town of 5,500 is rather peaceful to deal with. I wonder why…
 
Stone Cold said:
Is there a population difference between where you left and where you live now? I came from a city in Florida that has a population of 800,000, and it was miserable dealing with the DMV. Here in Cincitucky, my town of 5,500 is rather peaceful to deal with. I wonder why…
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I live in an area with 700,000 people and it never takes me more than half an hour to go to the dmv, usually 10-20 minutes. So I guess, YMMV. Getting my Real ID was pretty painless.
 
Roger Roger said:
Of the states I’ve lived in TX was actually the worst DMVs
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Granted this was during COVID but getting a driver's license when I lived in Dallas was a royal pain in the ass. The only available appointment closer than several months out had me driving almost an hour to some random town's DPS building on a weekday morning. Not really feasible for anyone without a car and with a regular job/kids.
 
CFIT99 said:
man you missed the point so hard....like CC level of missed the point....like holocaust denier level of missed the point...but you do you, enjoy.
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I was going to say the same. If you can afford a plane ticket and travel elsewhere, you can afford to get a REAL ID.

This smells of the same crowd that’s anti-voter ID.
 
It kinda doesn't bother me at all either. But it has become politicized like every other thing in this country, so I also don't care about the issue anymore because the arguments for and against are too stupid to listen to and I have better things to worry about.
 
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