RAH to operate E-190s for Midwest

[deadstick]

This is the biggest question I have on the matter. I haven't ventured much of an opinion, if at all. But really, is pilot labor rates the key factor in this deal?

For awhile now, I have believed that there are other agendas at work here. I don't think it's just the Midwest pay scales that are the target, but the DAL/NWA ones too. It could also play into the DC9 replacement plan for NWA. The new DAL/NWA still has Compass for flow-back and a certificate with the 170 on it, but they can't put 190s on it (my understanding, correct me if I am wrong). Now they own 47% of another certificate that they can put 190s on and not worry about scope of current Republic or Shuttle contracts. It's taking awhile because they have to get planes, the certifcate modified -- their dicks in a row, if you will. TH and Midwest management almost blew this whole thing 1)with the way they closed up Skyway and 2) when they low-balled Boeing on the 717 leases. This is out of their incompetant hands , now.

That $35M (?) loan from RAH to Midex put RAH at the head of the line of creditors. If it shutsdown, that $35M was the downpayment on the Midwest certificate.

 

[Polar742]

There's a difference between WAS and IS. I guess that difference doesn't fit YOUR agenda, though.

My only agenda is for people not to be bullied.

My, my. Aren't we judgmental tonight? Who made you High Inquisitor?

I don't see how standing up to a bully really qualifies that statement.

Hey, all I did was make the observation that Karma is a biatch. The guys YOU hose on the way up often get the opportunity to return the favor.

Your actions/thoughs/words on JC seem to support the idea that you say that but don't heed it.

 

[SteveC]

Wrong, O great Moderator. That was Hacker's take. When I use the term FLAP it refers to:

Funny
Little
Airplane
Pilots

I guess you could have asked ME first, but I guess a PM from Olympus is considered a long distance call.

[moderator hat OFF]

Actually I used Google to search for variations of the term, and included parts of different phrases that I had "heard" in the past, and the only response that would consistently come up uses a highly edited word in the first position. Common usage prevails as far as I'm concerned, and your attempt to disengeniously infer that you mean something else doesn't really fly with me. I suppose that others might believe you though, so...whatever.

As far as sending you a PM on the subject before posting, frankly you haven't earned that amount of respect from me.

 

[kellwolf]

A lot of people have been quick to say that TH is trying to shut the place down, but the airline is still going.

Depends on how you define "airline." It'd be like Burger King suddenly replacing all their stores with McDonald's food and employees. Sure, it still says "Burger King" outside, but is it really Burger King or is it McDonald's with a shiny sign?

 

[jynxyjoe]

You can feel the love in here.

 

[Airdale]

Airdale just figures it's OK to break the law or violate a contract.

Negative. Better read more carefully next time sport. I think its time to be done with the IBT and get a union with national support. Even if we keep the IBT, do you think they care one bit about our profession - as a whole? Keeping the IBT is future career suicide. Again, everyone would like to throw their hands up in the air and say "There's nothing we can do!". Bull. You can send the Teamsters packing and vote ALPA. Maybe the outcome would be different, maybe it wouldn't, but at LEAST we'd be doing something to help stop this crap.

 

[Velocipede]

[moderator hat OFF]

..."So now I can say anything I please."

Actually I used Google to search for variations of the term, and included parts of different phrases that I had "heard" in the past, and the only response that would consistently come up uses a highly edited word in the first position.

Since you suggested it, so did I and I call HOGWASH.

As far as sending you a PM on the subject before posting, frankly you haven't earned that amount of respect from me.

I guess the rules of the forum DON'T apply to mods. What a surprise. So much for "Doug's Living Room" and "PM your differences." Hey, but what's the use of HAVING standards if you can't double them.

:banghead:

 

[mikecweb]

Bang your head Velo.
While your doing it, 95% of the rest of the website is banging their head because someone who could contribute so much rather act like a 5 year old.

 

[Malko]

and with that, we are done.

 

[derg]

Ok now this is getting bad when I'm at a resort, on the exercisr bike typing on an iPhone preaching about effective communication to a collection of educated adults.

Hey we can all try to find some freaking common ground on professional issues or we can all find ourselves right here in 20 years debating the same crap as management laughs it's ass off all the way to the bank.

If you guys are going to debate, do so without presumption of malice and listen without prejudice.

If you can't well to watch cartoons for a bit and come back when you're able to
Have a rational, professional and calm debate.

How preposterous that I have to give this speech from an exercise bike?