R2F's American Eagle Training Updates

I started 2 weeks before stan at eagle, and yesterdy i finished cockpit systems integration. in the ATR we do that at the end of systems ground school. Now i am off sunday and monday and have my oral on tuesday, then wednesday its off to the sim. should be fun.

adam
 
kellwolf said:
Oh, and Stan. You guys suck if you get to do the CBT and cockpit procedures during class. They give us a pass card and tell us to come in after hours for that staff....
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:D Yeah, but there is NO WAY we'll finish all the CBT's in class alotted time. My roommate and I spent 4.5 hours over at the Academy on Saturday and only knocked out three or four of the chapters. :p

11 more to go!

Don't know about you, but I'm taking EXTENSIVE notes!

Good luck with your training, Steve! Keep posting your expereinces here, bro!
 
It's called the 'Schoolhouse', Stan. :)

Tell anyone you're going to the 'Academy', and they won't know what you're talking about.

Glad to hear it's going well, it is a lot of work!
 
MQAAord said:
It's called the 'Schoolhouse', Stan. :)

Tell anyone you're going to the 'Academy', and they won't know what you're talking about.

Glad to hear it's going well, it is a lot of work!
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Ahhhh....schooohouse. Got it.

Re: The work: OMG!!!! You ain't kiddin'!!!
 
blee256 said:
I am glad you are enjoying training. From what I understand training is moving in the right direction. They are trying to improve it. I havent heard of Jan. Is s/he a line pilot?
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Actually, Jan (guy, he's Scandinavian I think) is furloughed Delta since 9/11. Some of the other people in our class are new instructors: two furloughed NWA, one furloughed ATA, a FlyI guy, an ex-freight guy and a retired Delta 777 captain crazy enough to get back into this.

Have you watched the video with Bill? "I am busy bill". that one was hilarious.
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It's not part of the regular training, but yeah we watched it. "Hey Bill, did you set that yet?" "Bill, tell them we want to come back." "Uh, can you help me out here." "Sorry, Bill. I'm a little busy here." :)

Stan, yeah I'm about to run out of ink on my second pen, and we haven't even hit systems that hard yet. Plus, everyday we get a new little book. If it isn't fire safety, it's FMS. If it isn't that it's the ACARS stuff. Then we've got jet upset and WorldFlight thrown in there, too.
 
frog_flyer said:
a retired DAL 777 capt is gonna be sitting right seat in an rj?

lol?
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Not sure if you missed it, but I didn't see a sarcasm tag or anything...Either way it sure isn't funny. With that being said:

Some of the other people in our class are new instructors: two furloughed NWA, one furloughed ATA, a FlyI guy, an ex-freight guy and a retired Delta 777 captain crazy enough to get back into this.
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I am guessing that the captain is an instructor. Then again, I could be missing something as well.:confused:
 
"Some of the other people in our class are new instructors: two furloughed NWA, one furloughed ATA, a FlyI guy, an ex-freight guy and a retired Delta 777 captain crazy enough to get back into this"

Wow. That's amazing. Any Gulfstream guys? Can you imagine a furloughed NWA guy having a Gulfstream guy as a sim partner? That would suck. Not that he's necessarily a bad pilot but the NWA guy has seen it all before and has experienced the bar in this industry being lowered. The Gulfstream guy is helping to lower the bar...
 
DE727UPS said:
"Some of the other people in our class are new instructors: two furloughed NWA, one furloughed ATA, a FlyI guy, an ex-freight guy and a retired Delta 777 captain crazy enough to get back into this"

Wow. That's amazing. Any Gulfstream guys? Can you imagine a furloughed NWA guy having a Gulfstream guy as a sim partner? That would suck. Not that he's necessarily a bad pilot but the NWA guy has seen it all before and has experienced the bar in this industry being lowered. The Gulfstream guy is helping to lower the bar...
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I think he meant they are new instructors. THey are sitting in the class because they will be teaching it soon. Not flying the line. Am I right Kellwolf? Our ground instructor was retired FedEx guy. I heard he was the CP of Flying tigers before the buyout. SOmeone told me he is just doing it for the flight benefits for his kids. everyone has a reason. not necessarilly financial

And the comment about the 777 capt. As sad as it sounds, we do have a retired Delta Capt (took the early retirement). sitting in the right seat. He commutes. At my skywest interview, in my group we had a guy retire off the 75,76 after 24 years. It sucks to see it, but they are both great guys. I wish all the DL and NW guys the best of luck during these important times. Hopefully the industry and the public will see unity among pilots. 9E,XJ,NW. as well as the DL family.
 
blee256 said:
I think he meant they are new instructors. THey are sitting in the class because they will be teaching it soon. Not flying the line. Am I right Kellwolf?
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Yeah, those were the instructors. As far as new hire FOs, we do have a furloughed DC-9 driver from NWA, a former FlyI captain and a former Chicago Express captain. All but one guy in the class have over 900+ hours (most over 1000, some over 3000). The one low time guy is a CAPT guy with 200 hours.

Our ground instructor was retired FedEx guy. I heard he was the CP of Flying tigers before the buyout. SOmeone told me he is just doing it for the flight benefits for his kids. everyone has a reason. not necessarilly financial
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Was that Jerry? We had him the first day while they were scrambling for an instructor for us. Jan was still finishing up one group, and they're short handed on ground instructors. They've been pulling sim instructors to teach the ground sessions lately. Rumor has it Jerry didn't show up to work last Monday and quit.
 
Day 11
Today was a bear!

Started out with our instructor handing us a packet of 10 performance problems... one for each night for then next 10 days....each progressively harder than the next.

The first one took us 2 hours to work. He assured us that we'd have it down pat by Wednesday or Friday and that the remaining 5 would just be tedious. Hope home boy's right! ;)

After Lunch, we spent the next 2 hours working on more of the CBT's (Computer Based Training) segments. Today I chose the topics relating to Flight Controls and the the Air Conditioning system.

Finished the day with another FMS class wherein we loaded a complete flight plan from takeoff to approach, with a diversion, several holds along the route....and so on.

Pretty interesting stuff. Gonna dig that FMS!! :bandit:

More to come. Stay tuned.

R2F
 
ready2fly said:
Started out with our instructor handing us a packet of 10 performance problems... one for each night for then next 10 days....each progressively harder than the next.

The first one took us 2 hours to work. He assured us that we'd have it down pat by Wednesday or Friday and that the remaining 5 would just be tedious. Hope home boy's right! ;)

R2F
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What kind of math is used in your performance chart problems? Algebra,Trigonometry or Calculus? Or just simple arithmetic?
 
kellwolf said:
Was that Jerry? We had him the first day while they were scrambling for an instructor for us. Jan was still finishing up one group, and they're short handed on ground instructors. They've been pulling sim instructors to teach the ground sessions lately. Rumor has it Jerry didn't show up to work last Monday and quit.
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No - the guy he's tallking about is Gary W. - he flew for Flying Tigers then retired as a 'bus Captain from Fedex a couple of years ago.....I don't think he was ever the Chief Pilot at Tigers. He does have a picture of the 747 in Fedex paint - Fedex only flew them for a few years after the Fedex/Tiger merger. If Gary is still at 9E he is probably a sim instructor by now - that was always his intention.

Jason
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
What kind of math is used in your performance chart problems? Algebra,Trigonometry or Calculus? Or just simple arithmetic?
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It's not the math (which is simple arithmatic BTW), it's knowing what you're looking for and where in the plethera of information you're given.

So...while I'm here:

Day 12
Today, we covered the engines, the smoke detection system and altitude restrictions according to aircraft weight, atmospheric conditions, etc.

On the CBT's today, I finished up the environmental system and started reading up on the electrical.

Did another round of CSI (Cockpit Systems Integration) this afternoon with an absolutely OUTSTANDING instructor!!! This guy was on FIRE! He worked us lilke dogs, but by the end of it, we all felt we had a MUCH better grasp on the flows, systems and what to look for when we push on of the hundreds of buttons in that sumbitch.

OH - got the uniform today!! :bandit: I'm diggin' it! The plan is to have my wife wear the hat............and maybe the overcoat......and nuttin' but a smile!! :D :D :D
 
Sunday - 8 hours of CRM stuff. Lots of team building exercises, a look back at some accidents and how the break down of CRM was a major factor, and how we can avoid doing those same things in the future.

Monday - Review of adverse weather conditions, jet upset techniques (aka how to get the CRJ back upright when you fail in the barrel roll) and hand to hand combat techniques. Yeah, I know FOs and Capts are locked behind the door during flight, but the theory is we might be deadheading or commuting when the terrorist or drunk and disorderly passenger rear their ugly heads. Needless to say, I was SORE this morning.....

Tuesday - Finally getting into systems training. Talked about the flight displays, different modes on the EICAS pages, different modes of the AP and the FD, and a general overview of the aircraft itself (doors, flight control surfaces, dimensions, etc).

Stan, I'm jealous. We don't get our uniforms until after the checkride, which is coming up fast. Hard to believe my oral is only about two weeks away.....
 
So Steve & Stan how easy/hard is it to learn the FMS and systemsof the CRJ? I would never do the ATP CRJ system class. But they claim to give you an edge up in training. Would you say that systems training is easy to pick up from being a CFI to being a F/O without attending a class like the CRJ transition course?
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
So Steve & Stan how easy/hard is it to learn the FMS and systemsof the CRJ? I would never do the ATP CRJ system class. But they claim to give you an edge up in training. Would you say that systems training is easy to pick up from being a CFI to being a F/O without attending a class like the CRJ transition course?
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Late-night nitpicking....Stan will be on the ERJ and Steve is on the CRJ....

As for the training course I have heard that some say good and others say don't waste your money. When you get hired, the airline will train you to their standards.
 
"As for the training course I have heard that some say good and others say don't waste your money."

The real question is, if it gets you hired six months earlier, is it worth the money.....
 
JEP said:
Late-night nitpicking....Stan will be on the ERJ and Steve is on the CRJ....
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EEEEERRRRRRRT. Wrong answer. Survey SAYS????:

Stan is on the CRJ-7hunny. :D

Thanks for playing though. You're lovely departing gift of Moon Pies is by the back door. ;)

Max: The FMS isn't hard in it's application. It's a tad cumbersome at first just learing what all the buttons do and in what order to press them to get the desired effect (i.e., to enter which part of your flight plan you want to enter).

As for getting early training ? Well...can't hurt. Might be a tad expensive, but remember - if you go the airline route, you'll have to do the training all over again from scratch (but, you knew that).

That said, I haven't met any ATP career track folks up here yet (I'm sure they're here though, just not in my class, the one before me or the one that just arrived). Some ERAU, a lot of DCA, NDU..... and a TON of plain ol' FBO guys like myself.
 
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