R-ATP night time interpretation.

[BravoHotel]

So I was reading 61.159, and 61.160. So it states you have to have 100 night hours flight time, but then it states under the PIC requirement of 250 hours, which 25 must be at night. If only 25 hours of night PIC are required, what can be used to make up the difference? SIC? FE?

I learned you can credit up to 25 hours of night time with full stop taxi back at night. 1 full stop taxi back = 1 hour of night flight up to said 25 hours. Which is a nice side note.

So I interpret that is you have to be in a required crew position flying at night to log those additional 75 hours. I have a total of 54 hours of night time as a pilot and ~80 as an F.E.

Am I reading this wrong?

 

[ahw01]

No you'd just get to 100 pic, the rules weren't meant to line up unfortunately

 

[tcco94]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but I'm not understanding the question....

So under 61.159 (a) (2) you need "100 hours night flight time". The way I interpret that is any night flight time regardless PIC/SIC/DUAL etc. (This is where you'd apply the full stop landings for up to 25 hours)

Then 61.159 (a)(5) states that you need 250 hours PIC or SIC performing duties of PIC which includes AT LEAST
1. 100 hours x-country
2. 25 hours of night

I don't know anything about how flight engineers log night time but as long as you have 100 hours of night flight time (that's all it says so as long as whatever you're doing can be logged) and 25 of those has to be PIC.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's it. So if flight engineer counts as flight time you should have 134 hours of night, without even needing 25 landings to a full stop. Now go back and count up if 25 are PIC and you should be good to go.

Edit: read paragraph (c) for commercial pilot second in command flight time or flight engineer flight time.

 

[BravoHotel]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but I'm not understanding the question....

So under 61.159 (a) (2) you need "100 hours night flight time". The way I interpret that is any night flight time regardless PIC/SIC/DUAL etc. (This is where you'd apply the full stop landings for up to 25 hours)

Then 61.159 (a)(5) states that you need 250 hours PIC or SIC performing duties of PIC which includes AT LEAST
1. 100 hours x-country
2. 25 hours of night

I don't know anything about how flight engineers log night time but as long as you have 100 hours of night flight time (that's all it says so as long as whatever you're doing can be logged) and 25 of those has to be PIC.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's it. So if flight engineer counts as flight time you should have 134 hours of night, without even needing 25 landings to a full stop. Now go back and count up if 25 are PIC and you should be good to go.

Edit: read paragraph (c) for commercial pilot second in command flight time or flight engineer flight time.

Read paragraph C, It states flight engineer time can be used as a 3:1 ratio not to exceed 500 hours. But it does not state you can't use FE time for other blocks, in this case night. But applying that logic of 3:1 for night time that would be a creditable 26 hours, plus some night stop and goes, now just have to package that and sell it the airline.
I hope that is the case, as renting an airplane for 25 hours for night flight would get expensive!

Thanks for your take on this situation.