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Your right dispatchers at regionals worth way more, but in QX situation why raise the salary if there is no shortage of people who are willing to work for lower wage and thats company profits.

My point was to bring a little historical perspective to the discussion. A lot of people starting out today have no knowledge of what regional dispatch was like in the pre-small jet world. The job has changed. The compensation has not.
 
Your right dispatchers at regionals worth way more, but in QX situation why raise the salary if there is no shortage of people who are willing to work for lower wage and thats company profits.

This does make sense as there is a pretty reliable supply of dispatchers for the regionals to hire at any given time. On the other hand, total first year compensation for regional pilots has shot to upwards of $60k at some airlines because of the lack of incoming pilots. Most pilots I know from college have gotten offers at every regional they wanted to interview with and essentially had their pick of base/compensation/equipment combination.
 
This does make sense as there is a pretty reliable supply of dispatchers for the regionals to hire at any given time. On the other hand, total first year compensation for regional pilots has shot to upwards of $60k at some airlines because of the lack of incoming pilots. Most pilots I know from college have gotten offers at every regional they wanted to interview with and essentially had their pick of base/compensation/equipment combination.

Well let's not forget that some of these regionals are able to offer flight crews the sign on bonuses and higher salaries because they don't have a very senior topped out work force. When the regionals are in a race to the bottom to gain the flying and sign these low paying contracts, it isn't possible to pay well when a majority of the work force is close to or already topped out. Well, not possible to do all of that and turn a profit anyway. It will be interesting to see what some of these regionals pay both pilots and dispatchers 10 years from now...if there are any regionals left by then.
 
Supply and demand doesn't favor the regional dispatcher getting more money. The certificate is too easy to get.

This is exactly right. When regionals are still getting 75-100 apps from qualified and capable individuals every time they post, it doesn't favor higher wages. Why pay more when there are plenty of willing and capable candidates to do it at $15/hr?
 
All I am saying is that a lot of people have gotten really quick results because of how much attrition there is at regionals. You can be at a major within a year of getting hired by a regional to dispatch. Many more within 2-3 years. Advancing inside a regional is even quicker. Every major now starts at 60-80K and tops out before OT around 150-160K. Thats a really quick way to double, triple and eventually quadruple your salary.

As for the cost of dispatch school the low cost is relative to the return on investment. How many six figure jobs with union job security and no work performance reviews can you get with so little experience and just $4,000 worth of training? There are so many jobs these days that require tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars of university and post university training for a lot less money than a major airline dispatcher makes. Dispatchers at majors generally have a lot of flexibility in trading shifts and work less than the standard 40 hour work week and dont have to do any work outside the office.
I spent 10 TIMES that on my degree in electronics, and NEVER saw that kind of ROI!
 
Times are good. If you work a little OT you can pull six figures year one at a major.
I have to get my license first, then get the first DX job, etc. While landing at a major would be nice, I'm not expecting it to happen right away-if at all. At my age, it might not happen. I'll apply, of course; if I don't, then I DEFINITELY won't get hired at a major. That said, I'm a realist and know that everyone will want to work at a major for the pay, perks, prestige, etc; hence, majors have their pick of the litter, as it were.
 
I have to get my license first, then get the first DX job, etc. While landing at a major would be nice, I'm not expecting it to happen right away-if at all. At my age, it might not happen. I'll apply, of course; if I don't, then I DEFINITELY won't get hired at a major. That said, I'm a realist and know that everyone will want to work at a major for the pay, perks, prestige, etc; hence, majors have their pick of the litter, as it were.

Age is just a number. I'm at a major in my mid 20s. If you're what they're looking for, then you'll get on.
 
Age is just a number. I'm at a major in my mid 20s. If you're what they're looking for, then you'll get on.
Thing is that I'm 55. I heard that the majors want to hire someone who will retire with them. It's not that I'm too young; it's that I'm probably too old. Shoot, even getting on with a regional may be hard, because some of them might not want to HIRE someone my age.
 
Thing is that I'm 55. I heard that the majors want to hire someone who will retire with them. It's not that I'm too young; it's that I'm probably too old. Shoot, even getting on with a regional may be hard, because some of them might not want to HIRE someone my age.
If you are somewhat personable, and you know your stuff you can get a job with a regional.
 
Thing is that I'm 55. I heard that the majors want to hire someone who will retire with them. It's not that I'm too young; it's that I'm probably too old. Shoot, even getting on with a regional may be hard, because some of them might not want to HIRE someone my age.
The carrier I work for hires based on right fit for company and has recently hired several people in their 50's. Don't believe everything you hear.
 
If you are somewhat personable, and you know your stuff you can get a job with a regional.
I think getting on with a regional is feasible; getting on with a major, not so much. At least that's how I see things. Right now, I just want to get through school...
 
The carrier I work for hires based on right fit for company and has recently hired several people in their 50's. Don't believe everything you hear.
Right now, I have to focus on getting through school. If I do that, then I can think about the future.
 
Right now, I have to focus on getting through school. If I do that, then I can think about the future.

Dont, worry about getting through school. It's far from impossible. I was worried myself, but passed my ADX on my first attempt. Was happy as a guy could be, but now looking for that first spot. Hopefully something will come through sooner than later. Anyway, just study hard, get some study aids (they do help) and stay focused. Good luck to you.
 
Dont, worry about getting through school. It's far from impossible. I was worried myself, but passed my ADX on my first attempt. Was happy as a guy could be, but now looking for that first spot. Hopefully something will come through sooner than later. Anyway, just study hard, get some study aids (they do help) and stay focused. Good luck to you.

I passed the ADX on April 30th, so that monkey's off my back. I have a test this morning on the AIM/Jepp charts, then one on the FARs this week. In week 5, we have a BUNCH of tests including the final, which I hear is difficult. No, my point was I need to focus on getting school done successfully first, THEN applying for jobs. There's talk that Gama Aviation, one of the largest charter operators in the world, might come in to do interviews in week 5; I expressed interest in this. However, I thought it was premature and presumptuous to apply for a job (e.g. Skywest) before getting my license. I feel like I'll be jinxing myself or something. Someone suggested that I apply to Skywest now, but I'd like to get my license first. Sheffield told us on day one that they only pass those who deserve the license, those who earned it; they said that, in some classes, only a few pass. After having been there, I can see why; they do push you hard. Anyway, I'd like to focus on getting my license first, THEN worry about finding a job. That was my point...
 
My observation on major airline dispatch is that it's less of a career path, and more of a right-place-right-time kind of profession. I remember a conversation I had with a Delta dispatcher. He had 25 years in with Delta, including supervisory roles, BEFORE he moved into Dispatch. Now, Delta is kind of the outlier in that regard, but when you see that American, Southwest et al, give just as much preference to internal candidates with no experience, as they do to external candidates with experience, it makes it kind of hard to plan a career. This is anecdotal of course, but my perception is that the majority of my colleges over the years DID NOT make it to a major. A lot of them have, but a lot more of them haven't.

With regard to age; it's been my observation that it's not so much a factor as professional growth (or lack thereof). In other words, it doesn't matter if your 50+. It matters if you're 50+ and spent the last 25 years working the same desk at the same regional. I think the underlying bias is "why has he been slogging away for 25 years with no advancement?" If you just sit on the desk and wait for the majors to come calling, you may be sitting there a white. You should be constantly striving to develop your career. After 2 or 3 years of experience, you better be showing some growth. A more responsible position, a bigger company with bigger planes, something. I had Domestic, Flag, Supplemental, Passenger, Cargo, Instructor, Supervisor experience, and dispatched everything from Dash 8s to 727s, and it still was 10 years before I got an offer from a major.

This is why I get a little frustrated when I see the "it doesn't pay much, but it's good experience" mantra. Yes, you need experience, but you can't trade money for experience forever; At least, not if you want to have some kind of normal life-arc (spouse, home, kids, etc). As I said earlier in the thread, the dispatcher's role at the regional has changed; dramatically. The compensation has not.
 
My observation on major airline dispatch is that it's less of a career path, and more of a right-place-right-time kind of profession. I remember a conversation I had with a Delta dispatcher. He had 25 years in with Delta, including supervisory roles, BEFORE he moved into Dispatch. Now, Delta is kind of the outlier in that regard, but when you see that American, Southwest et al, give just as much preference to internal candidates with no experience, as they do to external candidates with experience, it makes it kind of hard to plan a career. This is anecdotal of course, but my perception is that the majority of my colleges over the years DID NOT make it to a major. A lot of them have, but a lot more of them haven't.

With regard to age; it's been my observation that it's not so much a factor as professional growth (or lack thereof). In other words, it doesn't matter if your 50+. It matters if you're 50+ and spent the last 25 years working the same desk at the same regional. I think the underlying bias is "why has he been slogging away for 25 years with no advancement?" If you just sit on the desk and wait for the majors to come calling, you may be sitting there a white. You should be constantly striving to develop your career. After 2 or 3 years of experience, you better be showing some growth. A more responsible position, a bigger company with bigger planes, something. I had Domestic, Flag, Supplemental, Passenger, Cargo, Instructor, Supervisor experience, and dispatched everything from Dash 8s to 727s, and it still was 10 years before I got an offer from a major.

This is why I get a little frustrated when I see the "it doesn't pay much, but it's good experience" mantra. Yes, you need experience, but you can't trade money for experience forever; At least, not if you want to have some kind of normal life-arc (spouse, home, kids, etc). As I said earlier in the thread, the dispatcher's role at the regional has changed; dramatically. The compensation has not.

That's good to know, something I'll keep in mind. I'd like to get to a regional first, then perhaps a good supplemental (e.g. Kalitta Air) or LCC after that. Having said that, I need to worry about getting the first job-AFTER I finish school, of course....
 
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