Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspection

mikeypat15

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Simple straight forward questions.

What does your inspection of the cables, turnbuckles, etc. behind the cabin consist of?

When do you recommend changing these items?
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

I'm not a A&P but am a Cherokee 140 half owner with my uncle. We just remove the back wall in the cabin which gives you access to the tail section. We have never replaced anything back there and its a 1969. Unless your getting corrossion back there which you shouldnt be, there isnt a reason to replace anything. I imagine you could get worn part back there but we fly ours gently. I could see a flight school maybe wearing out part back theree.
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

Non-sealed bearings/bellcranks/hinges etc will be lubricated per the aircraft-specific lubrication chart in the maintenance manual. Pulleys will be checked for freedom of movement (a seized pulley allows the cable to slide over it and deepen the groove, and should be replaced). Cables are visually checked for general condition (i.e. no cuts, fraying), attachment points are properly secured with cotter pins and turnbuckles are properly safety-wired (both free ends of the safety wire must end with a minimum of four turns around the turnbuckle barrel).

Cable tension is a big deal and the flight control system is visually observed while the controls are manipulated. If the tension in the cables is too loose, they can jump the pulley grooves (not something you want happening in flight). If it's too tight however, the controls will be difficult to move, the system will bind up and the cables will wear excessively and cut into the pulleys. Compounding the problem is the fact that the tension varies naturally as the steel cables expand and contract with temperature, so a rigging load chart must be consulted to find the desired cable tension based on the current temperature and cable diameter. The cable can then be checked with a tensiometer gauge and compared against the desired value. Further complicating the problem is that old tensiometers don't have multiple scales (for different diameters) so a 2nd table must be used to convert the indicated tension on the gauge to the actual value (and sometimes a specific riser attachment must be used for that cable size). If you need to change the tension the safety wire is cut, the turnbuckle is rotated appropriately (making sure not to expose more than 3 threads on each side) and after being absolutely sure the tensiometer is reading the correct value the turnbuckle is finally re-safetied using one of the approved methods.

Rigging Load Chart:

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Simple cable tensiometer & conversion table:

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Larger images available here.

Finally I don't have a lot of experience with Cherokee 140s, but my old flight school had two Warriors and an Archer. There is a raised carpeted center pedestal in the middle of the floor that the Johnson bar flap handle sits on, and the whole thing is a removable access panel. I can't remember why but it was a PITA for some reason and other mechanics there either weren't removing it during 100 hours or were only partially removing it. Well one day I decided to take the whole thing off and have a look, and I couldn't believe what I found. The flap cables had jumped their pulleys and wrapped around the elevator cables, and they were grinding against each other. It was appalling to think that the problem could have continued uncorrected had I not gone out of my way to try and get a better look at the system, so I really recommend trying to go above and beyond to get the most thorough look at everything as you can if there's any doubt.

Take the above with a grain of salt, I was not able to stay with the company long enough to complete the required training for the A&P and haven't worked in aviation maintenance in several years (although I find myself day dreaming about the good old days more and more lately). But hopefully this is more than you wanted to know on the subject. ;)

(Source: Dale Crane, "Airframe, Volume 1: Structures." ASA Aviation Maintenance Technician Series)
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

Thanks for the responses, would you replace a stainless steel turnbuckle if you found rust on it?
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

Simple straight forward questions.

What does your inspection of the cables, turnbuckles, etc. behind the cabin consist of?

When do you recommend changing these items?
Cable tensions.
Check that the pulleys all move when the cables move.
Shoot some LPS2 on the bearings for all the pulleys.
Run hands on the cables, check for broken strands (AC4313 has allowable limits).
I would change any turnbuckle component that has appreciable corrosion on it-there have been several reports (on Cherokees/Seminoles) of turnbuckles breaking due to corrosion.
Also, I don't know how your Cherokee is set up, but the 6 has some steel brackets riveted to aluminum back at the attach point for the stabilator that can have some dissimilar metal corrosion. Similar situation on the forward spar for the vertical stabilizer.
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

Also, I don't know how your Cherokee is set up, but the 6 has some steel brackets riveted to aluminum back at the attach point for the stabilator that can have some dissimilar metal corrosion. Similar situation on the forward spar for the vertical stabilizer.


This this THIS. You *need* to find a way to look at the bracket that holds the pitch trim cable pullies under the forward vertical stab mount, and the vertical stab mount itself. We had one a few years ago where we found the pulley bracket lying in the bottom of the tailcone, so we started poking around and found that the stab mount was heavily corroded. Upon removing the vertical stab I gave the bracket a good whack and it *fell off* There was nothing left of the rivets. The stab mount bracket is steel and it's sandwiched between two aluminum pieces.

One good kick of the rudder probably would have taken the vertical stab right off. Since then we've found several other Cherokees with the same issue, though not as bad as that one.

10 cents worth of primer at the factory would have prevented this problem, but in those days you bought them, flew them for a couple years, and bought something else.
 
Re: Questions for A&P about Cherokee 100 Hour/Annual Inspect

Wire brush the rust off and check for pitting or cracking, If you don; tsee any of that I would maybe look and see if there is a minimum thickness for the turnbuckle which I don't think you will find something for this but worth a look just in case. If you don't find any of the above then apply CPC and let her go. Thats my two sense.



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