Question for aeronautical graduates

Hey again guys, good debate going here, and i am enjoying it thoroughly (seriously).
ok, first off, erau doesnt call itself that, a generally unbiased publication does and yes has since been repeated by the college, airliners, and other such critics. so i dont feel that the school is aying it as a ploy to seperate us from our money.

secondly, yes you are correct as i recently started paying back my loans and they are a considerable amount on a monthly basis. that said, i do stick to my previous statement in saying i dont regret it at all, because i don't let something like a green piece of paper that "holds some value" in our society stop me from doing the REAL concrete thing in life i love which is flying. truthfully i think people are crazy to pay you to do the most awesome job in the world and i think you should almost have to pay to do it just like a thrill ride, but hey our society works on money and money is power. afterall, first we get the money, then we get the power, thennnn we get the women! lol, but in honesty to do it all again i definitely agree and sounds like you do too that gen-ed classes are better taken at community college for much much less. also, 1988, i try not to take one example and use it as a concrete fact. you never know what was going thru the mind of that pilot that was hiring you. i find some people do attach a stereotype to riddle grads as rich kids, snobby, think their dont smell, etc. but truth is thats everywhere in society and actually in my 4 years there i found very little of that and a lot of real people just like me. also i find there is some rivalry around some college grads that there school was better such as spartan, und, fit, what have you. maybe the guy had something against riddle, but i got to say, just you saying that the other two guys came from riddle is a lot and a statistic in inself to show you the amount of pilots around the world that come from riddle. if its all a big scam then they sure seemed to fool me and thousands if not millions of others since its opening decades ago.

finally, i really dont want to pick on you for this man, but i cant say it without using you as the example to begin. history degree is not equal to an aviation degree. i know PILOTS, from erau i graduated with who work for airline's as dispatchers, also guys that are ATC from their minor, scheduling agents, line service, data intelligence gatherers (foqa), uav pilots, sales professionals, some servers, and to put it in personal terms i am applying to be an airport manager. while i dont have the job yet, i have done well enough to get to the final interview so far, and guess what, she was impressed i went to riddle and knew it by name. getting a job after graduation is kind of hard in the economy, but i have seen multiple pilots get jobs outside of just flying with an AS degree, because they can transfer the knowledge as pilots. there may have been a day where if you lost your medical and you couldnt fly anymore meant you were screwed but i find today its really not true, you just have to know where to look and be in the right place at the right time, so i dont know if you can really say learning from your experience with all due respect. as for your comment about getting a technical license of some sort, i cant say i have experience with that other than aviation so i dont know, but at the same time, i am not at all interested in being a nurse, doctor, lawyer, etc. and know i would hate it so i think that would be the biggest waste of time in money. life's too short to pursue things you dont really want. i would rather be paid 19,000 for a job i love than 60,000 for a job i hate. i dont have a family so i know thats must be pressure, but then again there are ways of investing your money wisely that can substite your paycheck such as starting your own business on the side. also 19,000 isnt bad from what i hear. not personal experience, but basically it cost a lot to tyoe rate you in a regional jet such as a crj, all of which you dont have to pay for anymore, which a lot of times people used to. in exchange for working for 19,000 your first year, you get free training that can laste you your entire career. the following year if you stay they usually bump your pay up considerably to the tune of near 30,000. once again this is what i heard and not what i know, but in my mind that seems to make a lot of sense and really sounds like a good deal. every job requires youto pay your dues to make the big bucks. aviation is no different. its not about the first 6 years of pay, its about the last 6 (how does 200k a year sound?, or 300k?) i could retire on that

you are right bud, they wouldnt keep their doors open this long if they weren'doing something right at riddle.
 
Never lose this mentality because the day you do, is the day it becomes "a job" and not a passion.

Just wait son, it'll become a job soon enough. Not necessarily a bad thing, just a reality check.

My big problem with ERAU is the horrendous tuition. The academics are great, but the flight training were mostly newbie CFIs building time, who weren't much different from newbie CFIs building time at a 61 school. Academics were the opposite......good experienced people from industry teaching great courses, although not necessarily worth the horrendous cost.

I personally would've done Prof Aero back then, and the flying elsewhere.

my worst fear is working in a cubical the rest of my life. i can only live free if im in the flight levels :D

You've obviously never experienced low-level. :)
 
also i forgot, respectfully again to 1988, my point isnt to argue with you on the calibur of training since riddle is clearly superior to any other (jk!, i wish i could see your face), but to say that as an employer you must consider beauty is in the eye's of the beer-holder (beholder). what you may have considered and might have been in reality the best training in the world, getting your ratings from "podunk usa" you are in a very select and small crowd who thinks that. riddle is internationally known for its superb flight training school and the very mention of its name is known throughout all the industry worldwide. that's what i call ammo, upperhand, and a good chance you had a good education and flight training.
 
Hey again guys, good debate going here, and i am enjoying it thoroughly (seriously).
ok, first off, erau doesnt call itself that, a generally unbiased publication does and yes has since been repeated by the college, airliners, and other such critics. so i dont feel that the school is aying it as a ploy to seperate us from our money.

secondly, yes you are correct as i recently started paying back my loans and they are a considerable amount on a monthly basis. that said, i do stick to my previous statement in saying i dont regret it at all, because i don't let something like a green piece of paper that "holds some value" in our society stop me from doing the REAL concrete thing in life i love which is flying. truthfully i think people are crazy to pay you to do the most awesome job in the world and i think you should almost have to pay to do it just like a thrill ride, but hey our society works on money and money is power. afterall, first we get the money, then we get the power, thennnn we get the women! lol, but in honesty to do it all again i definitely agree and sounds like you do too that gen-ed classes are better taken at community college for much much less. also, 1988, i try not to take one example and use it as a concrete fact. you never know what was going thru the mind of that pilot that was hiring you. i find some people do attach a stereotype to riddle grads as rich kids, snobby, think their dont smell, etc. but truth is thats everywhere in society and actually in my 4 years there i found very little of that and a lot of real people just like me. also i find there is some rivalry around some college grads that there school was better such as spartan, und, fit, what have you. maybe the guy had something against riddle, but i got to say, just you saying that the other two guys came from riddle is a lot and a statistic in inself to show you the amount of pilots around the world that come from riddle. if its all a big scam then they sure seemed to fool me and thousands if not millions of others since its opening decades ago.

finally, i really dont want to pick on you for this man, but i cant say it without using you as the example to begin. history degree is not equal to an aviation degree. i know PILOTS, from erau i graduated with who work for airline's as dispatchers, also guys that are ATC from their minor, scheduling agents, line service, data intelligence gatherers (foqa), uav pilots, sales professionals, some servers, and to put it in personal terms i am applying to be an airport manager. while i dont have the job yet, i have done well enough to get to the final interview so far, and guess what, she was impressed i went to riddle and knew it by name. getting a job after graduation is kind of hard in the economy, but i have seen multiple pilots get jobs outside of just flying with an AS degree, because they can transfer the knowledge as pilots. there may have been a day where if you lost your medical and you couldnt fly anymore meant you were screwed but i find today its really not true, you just have to know where to look and be in the right place at the right time, so i dont know if you can really say learning from your experience with all due respect. as for your comment about getting a technical license of some sort, i cant say i have experience with that other than aviation so i dont know, but at the same time, i am not at all interested in being a nurse, doctor, lawyer, etc. and know i would hate it so i think that would be the biggest waste of time in money. life's too short to pursue things you dont really want. i would rather be paid 19,000 for a job i love than 60,000 for a job i hate. i dont have a family so i know thats must be pressure, but then again there are ways of investing your money wisely that can substite your paycheck such as starting your own business on the side. also 19,000 isnt bad from what i hear. not personal experience, but basically it cost a lot to tyoe rate you in a regional jet such as a crj, all of which you dont have to pay for anymore, which a lot of times people used to. in exchange for working for 19,000 your first year, you get free training that can laste you your entire career. the following year if you stay they usually bump your pay up considerably to the tune of near 30,000. once again this is what i heard and not what i know, but in my mind that seems to make a lot of sense and really sounds like a good deal. every job requires youto pay your dues to make the big bucks. aviation is no different. its not about the first 6 years of pay, its about the last 6 (how does 200k a year sound?, or 300k?) i could retire on that

you are right bud, they wouldnt keep their doors open this long if they weren'doing something right at riddle.

No offense here, but have you been drinking? I have and my grammar isn't nearly as bad as yours. I can tell you that I never would have graduated from my podunk college with grammar like yours....
 
hahaha, mike D, funny guy, you are right, nothing low level military sense im sure you are saying. also i do see many pilots that are burnt out from flying everywhere i go. honestly the day it becomes a job is the day i hope i move to something more fun,possibly bigger airplane, or look for a new job. whenever you think about it as a job i reccommend you think back to the reason you became a pilot in the first place and become that person again. live your childhood dreams, few people can say they do. mine is to be a glorious pilot like chuck yaeger, what's yours?
 
oh greaper, you are funny as well, but in a rude and not so funny way. haha, no actually i am sober, i just don't take the time to grammar check everything i write on a public forum, which is not for a grade, not for a job, and i am not being paid for so could care less, but if you would like, i could take twice as long to respond, tyoe everything in word, use spell check, cross all my t's and dot my i's, use the caps lock every sentence, whipe your butt (lol, get my point?). mainly i dont care about grammar especially when i am in a debate on something i care a lot about. hope you arent taking a cheap shot at insulting me because you feel offended in something i have said. honestly, i am merely offering my opinion on a subject of a school i actually went to and recently graduated from to a kid who is interested in going there, nothing more.
 
hahaha, mike D, funny guy, you are right, nothing low level military sense im sure you are saying. also i do see many pilots that are burnt out from flying everywhere i go. honestly the day it becomes a job is the day i hope i move to something more fun,possibly bigger airplane, or look for a new job. whenever you think about it as a job i reccommend you think back to the reason you became a pilot in the first place and become that person again. live your childhood dreams, few people can say they do. mine is to be a glorious pilot like chuck yaeger, what's yours?

It will become a job, son. Again, thats not a bad thing, its a simple reality. Don't need to look for new things or anything like that. Just realize that the idealism you're currently living under is just that. It'll wear off. Flying is a job, when doing it for pay. Anything and everything eventually becomes that way. How you personally work within that is what makes the difference.

You'll see, when you get some years on you outside the Riddle indoctrination.
 
this is you for sure dude! relax and have a laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9_kahA_wQo

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dont taze me bro!
 
It will become a job, son. Again, thats not a bad thing, its a simple reality. Don't need to look for new things or anything like that. Just realize that the idealism you're currently living under is just that. It'll wear off. Flying is a job, when doing it for pay. Anything and everything eventually becomes that way. How you personally work within that is what makes the difference.

You'll see, when you get some years on you outside the Riddle indoctrination.

we shall see then, currently i will stick to my ideology, beause in my opinion getting paid for it only makes it that much better. its like so you are going to allow me to do what i love and am passionate about and you are going to pay me to do it on top of that?! where do i sign up?
 
we shall see then, currently i will stick to my ideology, beause in my opinion getting paid for it only makes it that much better. its like so you are going to allow me to do what i love and am passionate about and you are going to pay me to do it on top of that?! where do i sign up?

Fair enough. I was where you were a long time ago. Trust me, I know of what I speak there junior.
 
For those of you who do *not* recommend Riddle, would you recommend UND or Purdue? The Difference is you actually NEED to have good grades and write good SAT's to get in.
 
For those of you who do *not* recommend Riddle, would you recommend UND or Purdue? The Difference is you actually NEED to have good grades and write good SAT's to get in.

I'd probably hit Purdue first. You can get a degree in something besides aviation science and still fly. When I was flying at my college there were several instructors that weren't even students of the college. That or you can always double major if you really want to.
 
gymhaus i am glad you loved riddle soo much but its not going to give you the hand up on a part 61 guy who has more hours and licenses than you. get over it. you over paid for your ratings and now will be in debt probaly most your life while us part 61s who have no debt will be loving life buying our boats and personal airplanes. But hey you can always tell ppl you went to the harvard of the sky. congradulations.
 

Gym, I understand that you're proud of your school and your achievement. Especially considering the background that you came from. My mother grew up low income and was the first woman in her family to receive a college degree so I can appreciate how difficult and rewarding that is. I can also appreciate how difficult it can be to chose a school when you don't have parents with college experience. In that case schools like Riddle can be very seductive. The thing is, I think you're going to realize in a few years that your Riddle degree was as good as any 4 year degree. The only difference was that you spent 5 times as much as the person who went to a cow college. <---- I'm telling you now that those loans are going to cripple you in the years to come, I really don't envy what the next 15-30 years of your life will be like.
 
I wasnt being rude. I tried telling you nicely but it wasnt getting through to you. Sometimes you just have to give people a harsh taste of reality even if it hurts their feelings. I hope I opened up your eyes.
 
No offense here, but have you been drinking? I have and my grammar isn't nearly as bad as yours. I can tell you that I never would have graduated from my podunk college with grammar like yours....

I'm glad somebody said it... I'm astonished that this guy is actually a college graduate. No offense gymhaus, but I'd really, really recommend cleaning up your writing skills. If you're writing that way out of laziness, then get over it. It doesn't make you look "cool", it makes you look lazy, disorganized, and uneducated. If you really don't know any better, take some writing classes at a community college.

A lot of people on this website are in a position to hire or recommend others to be hired. It's really important to have a good reputation, and crappy writing/posting WILL hold you back in that respect. I found my current job through an aviation forum like this one, and one of the first things my employer did was look at my old posts to see what kind of guy I am. I GUARANTEE that if I was writing like you are, I would've been passed up.

As far as ERAU, nobody cares in the real world... They just don't.
 
Honestly, I have researched, and can't think of one job I would like to do than fly. So if I am not going to do anything else, why not go Collegiate Aviation style?

I think you said in another thread that you were 14 (correct me if I'm wrong). If so, give it a few years - something may well come up. It may be attractive to single-track yourself, but trust me that you'll be passing up a LOT of opportunities that you'll be kicking yourself about later on. Keep an open mind for now.

For those of you who do *not* recommend Riddle, would you recommend UND or Purdue? The Difference is you actually NEED to have good grades and write good SAT's to get in.

They're both certainly worth a look, and I'd recommend them over ERAU for the simple fact that you can at least do a double major in something completely different (which I would recommend if you're going to get a flight degree). Take a look at WMU, Southern Illinois and UIUC as well. And other places that don't have aviation programs, of course.

I'm glad somebody said it... I'm astonished that this guy is actually a college graduate. No offense gymhaus, but I'd really, really recommend cleaning up your writing skills. If you're writing that way out of laziness, then get over it. It doesn't make you look "cool", it makes you look lazy, disorganized, and uneducated. If you really don't know any better, take some writing classes at a community college.

One thing I learned at ERAU is that a lot of people really aren't high on the whole writing thing. Which was pretty depressing (more depressing was the fact that some of the faculty weren't that into it either). Spelling and grammar do matter.

It did, however, lead to some very funny stuff showing up on the bulletin boards from time to time. :)
 
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