Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
Same here. So I'll stick with the "let's not ask the FAA the question" answer.
Question about logging dual time
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Mike H
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1. A Discovery Flight is considered dual instruction, however there's no requirement I know of for the instructee to have any sort of a logbook at that point. Does that mean the CFI can't log it as dual given?
2. I'm not aware of any FAA certificate or rating called "Aerobatics", so why would someone need to be a CFI to teach aerobatics?
2a- same goes for "crop dusting"
2. I'm not aware of any FAA certificate or rating called "Aerobatics", so why would someone need to be a CFI to teach aerobatics?
2a- same goes for "crop dusting"
Bernoulli Fan
Controller
Every flight school I taught at had 3x5 "ceremonial" cards that we filled out after the discovery flight. Counts as a logbook for the FAA, CFI logs dual after filling it out, and customer gets a souvenir if they never come back, or ready information to copy into the logbook after the second lesson if they do come back.
Blackhawk
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"61.189 Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training or ground training."
This is why I always included one of the cheap logbooks when giving a discovery flight.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I had a situation where I did a BFR for a retired airline pilot and he didn't bring his logbook. What do you do in the situation where they don't bring it? I put the endorsement on a sheet of paper, along with the required items for a logbook entry, made two copies and gave him one. Have you ever had this situation?
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Yes, I know someone that doesn't keep a logbook. Had his last flight review endorsed on the side of his medical I believe.
Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
Yes. I use a label that they can affix to the back of their logbook. I also give them credit through Wings.
As for not keeping a logbook... don't know that I would do a flight review in this case as the person is not complying with the FARs.
61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
For someone that only flies alone, a flight review is the only thing they need to record.
If they are not training for a certificate or rating, no need to log anything else.
Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
I agree. Though if they ever want to fly with someone else they need to show currency. The FAA has been pretty lenient on what is "an acceptable manner", but not sure something written on a medical would cut it
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
Regularly. I use a 2-part NCR form* to record flight instruction and give one to the student. I'm quite comfortable that's it meets the requirements of the regs.
For flight review, I've always had labels made up with the endorsement. Give them the label and let them paste it in whatever they use for a logbook. (BTW, once upon a time the FAA had an official FR card you could stick in your wallet. If you go to www.thecfi.com and click on "Marketing" you'll find the first link is to a file that has the old form, my revision of it, and an explanation (and DISCLAIMER!)).
(* More recently, it's taken the form of a pdf template that I write on with my iPad and email to the student)