Question about ILS

[z987k]

I don't think reading the PTS does much good for a 121 ride since the expectations are made pretty clear throughout training.

Well they're the same standards so..

 

[SpiceWeasel]

Well they're the same standards so..

Sure, but as Polar intimated, if you are familiar with your books in 121, you have essentially read the PTS requirements for ATP typing in your aircraft.

 

[FL350]

and Boom goes the dynamite.. Looks like this is the answer.

You guys are wasting time citing the PTS. It's an FAR, and when you are within Class D airspace, the answer is "yes" for large aircraft or turbine-powered aircraft arriving at a runway served by an instrument approach with vertical guidance, and "yes" for all airplanes arriving a runway served by a VASI. See 14 CFR 91.129—Operations in Class D airspace.



Item (3) gives you relief for when it's necessary to land and safely stop. Ducking under the glideslope (visual or otherwise) in an airplane with a long body (i.e., a jet) is generally a no-no, as you might drag various bits of the airplane through the approach lights/etc. if you take it to an extreme.

 

[TFaudree_ERAU]

and "yes" for all airplanes arriving a runway served by a VASI

Even if doing so will have you land half way down a 2,300' runway, as it does at the airport where I learned to fly?

 

[FL350]

Even if doing so will have you land half way down a 2,300' runway, as it does at the airport where I learned to fly?

If you find it safe / require landing short to be safe, then you make that decision as the captain.

If anything happens Wolf Blitzer and other aviation experts alike will chime in and hang you out to dry anyway.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Even if doing so will have you land half way down a 2,300' runway, as it does at the airport where I learned to fly?

"...until a lower altitude is necessary for a safe landing."

 

[eightballfreight]

And does turbine/non-turbine change anything? I.e. Turbine glide slope requirements.

 

[ricecakecm]

Why wouldn't it be? On any 121/135 check ride you are held to the standards to what certificate you hold. I've had an ATP for a while now, and I just got a brand spankin new Type Rating YESTERDAY, and guess what one of the first things the examiners did? Broke out the ATP PTS and went over it with me so there would be no questions on what was expected on the type ride.

Actually, for a 135 or 121 PC that doesn't involve a certification check (ATP or Type Rating for example), the standards the pilot must meet are contained in the Qualification Module of the Operator's approved training program.

Typically they use commercial or ATP PTS depending on the aircraft involved, but they could, in theory, be different.