Quasimoto Pilots
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Velocipede
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Man, you need another Red Bull. Then again, maybe not. Just another emotional response that assumes facts not in evidence.
Lighten up, Francis.
Does anyone else find it hilarious to see Velo write this.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Bumblebee
Commodore
Hard to do if you're wearing a welding mask to keep from getting burned with the animosity . . .
I do have several great mentors however, that are very considerate and knowledgable, but none of them bite my head off.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I don't know about Velo, but I had no problem saying something to an FO's face if he wasn't wearing the appropriate uniform. He got a pass on the first trip of the month, but I made it clear that he'd better be wearing his correct uniform (including hat) when he showed up for our next trip.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
From your previous post, it sounded like you're inferring that those that don't wear hats don't look professional. Well, have you SEEN these people in person? If not, you're assuming facts not in evidence yourself.
I take my job very seriously, I take my appearance on the job seriously, and I take how I interact with my passengers and crew members very seriously. Oh, and I don't wear a hat. If that last part makes me unprofessional, then that's not my problem. That just means someone else needs to re-arrange some priorities.
I've flown with John numerous times, and I've worked with him as an instructor. I'd rather have him sitting next to me than some 250 hour wunderkind out of JetU with a pressed blazer and a hat.
And for the record, Krispy Kreme trumps Dunkin Donuts any day....
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Eh, I'd be okay with that IF it didn't say in the FOM that the hat was optional. Making the poor guy wear the hat is overstepping bounds, IMO. What if the poor, broke guy didn't even buy one?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Remember, up until about a year or so ago, the hat wasn't optional at Pinnacle. Everyone just acted like it was. Until the uniform revision in the FOM, it still said the hat was required. After the revision, I backed off on the hat (even though I still wore it and think it looks unprofessional not to wear one), but I still called out FOs who were wearing black tennis shoes, no ties, unapproved jackets, etc...
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
I just want it stated for the record how silly all of y'all act when it comes to uniforms...I wear a hat and am very professional because of it...I don't wear a hat, but press my uniform, so I'm more professional than you...blah, blah, blah.
Sorry, I guess I had too much wine with dinner, but come on guys, all of you get over yourselves...if you weren't a freight dawg, then you suck!!!
Sorry, I guess I had too much wine with dinner, but come on guys, all of you get over yourselves...if you weren't a freight dawg, then you suck!!!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Been longer than that. I came on in March of 06, and it was optional then. In fact, when they printed the new FOMs, it said it was required, and there was an IMMEDIATE TR to fix it. As in, you got the new FOM, and that was in the stack of TRs they handed you with the FOM. It'd be nice if we could get something printed right the first time, but I've learned to just deal with stacks of pink and yellow pages from day one of a new manual.
As for the black tennis shoes, ties and unapproved jackets, I'm with ya there. Now, if some guy isn't wearing M&H pants, but they still match, I'm fine with that. There's a reason I took my blazer to Target to make sure those pants were the right shade of black.
Seggy
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For the regional guys, like it or not, we are going to be wearing hats at our next job. Many legacies require them, so might as well get used to them at the regionals!
Honestly, it does make you look much more professional wearing it. No, it is not the only thing that defines your professionalism, but it is the small things that make up the whole package of becoming a professional.
Honestly, it does make you look much more professional wearing it. No, it is not the only thing that defines your professionalism, but it is the small things that make up the whole package of becoming a professional.
Velocipede
New Member
All I ask you guys to do is take a look at airline advertising. The image YOUR company wants you to project is right there in the magazines and TV ads. And all those guys are wearing their hats.
And that's the public's perception, as well.
And that's the public's perception, as well.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Truthfully, I can place an order at Sporty's and dress like an airline pilot, but that doesn't necessarily make someone a professional. I see guys all the time acting like frat boys at a party. But hey, it's cool since they wear the blazer and hat, right? And from the company website for pilot applicants:
Nice hats, right....oh wait.
Mark, if it's a required uniform piece at an airline, I'll have no problem wearing it. After all, I accepted the job, and that goes along with it. However, if I just flew an ILS to minimums here at Pinnacle, and a passenger says "Great flight, but you should wear your hat," I don't think I'm the one with the issue.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You're probably right. I upgraded in summer '05, and it was still technically required then. At some point after that, they changed it, and I let up on the FOs about the hat, albeit grudgingly. It still irked me, though. A pilot without a hat is like a doctor without the white lab coat: it just doesn't look right.
Now, if some guy isn't wearing M&H pants, but they still match, I'm fine with that. There's a reason I took my blazer to Target to make sure those pants were the right shade of black.
Hey, I'm with ya there. M&H stuff is absolute crap. I used to buy my pants from the Men's Wearhouse. I'm sure I looked ridiculous going down the rack of pants at the store holding my blazer up to them to get a match, but it was worth it.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
We can't even order the hats right now. Our wonderful (ALPA... hehe) brothers out west apparently never had them and the company thought it would be cheaper to just dump them all together. So now, if we WANT we can get the hat, but we have to pay for it out of our own pocket. Oh yeah, same thing with the blazer too. But they will pay for the jacket.
To quote Dr. Dre (who I was listening to on my ipod while wandering through the terminal last week) "Hat's ain't #####... but hoes and tricks"
My point being, there is a hell of a lot more to being a pilot then dressing up nicely. Sure, that's part of it, but to judge a guy's pilot skills (what ever that means) from how he dresses is absurd.
To quote Dr. Dre (who I was listening to on my ipod while wandering through the terminal last week) "Hat's ain't #####... but hoes and tricks"
My point being, there is a hell of a lot more to being a pilot then dressing up nicely. Sure, that's part of it, but to judge a guy's pilot skills (what ever that means) from how he dresses is absurd.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I agree with you, the hat IS a small part.
The thing is I see pilots at the companies I want to be working with wearing hats. If they are doing it, why shouldn't I? What happens if the guy I ask for a jumpseat is on the hiring committee and his BIG pet peeve are guys who don't wear hats?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Exactly. Even SWA uses pics of pilots wearing their hats for advertising, despite the fact that none of those guys wear their hats on the line. There's a reason that companies want that image out there: the public expects it, and familiarity in this business breeds comfort for the pax. It's the same reason that the Virgin America pilots are going to be getting traditional uniforms soon. The company realized that the public just doesn't like to see non-traditional looking pilots flying their airplanes.