Quality of service on US based airlines vs foreign airlines

heeha

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I recently flew from Doha, Qatar to London on Qatar Airways and flew from London to JFK on American Airlines. I have to say, there was a stark difference in the quality of service and friendliness of the flight attendents on both flights.

My overall experience on my Qatar Airway's flight was excellent. The flight attendents seemed really happy to serve all the passengers and I could tell Qatar Airways takes A LOT of pride in its airline and the way it treats its passengers.

Now on the other hand, my experience with American Airlines was not that great. The flight attendents did not seem like they were too happy to be there and I was under the impression that American doesn't put that much money into its airline and it doesn't have the same amount of pride that other foreign based airlines have.

I am not trying to bash American Airlines or any other American based airline, but I personally think that when it comes to the quality of service and the friendliness of flight attendents, foreign airlines such as Emirates, Qatar Airways, Singapore Airlines and a few others will always beat most American based carriers.

I curious what anybody else thinks...
 
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No comparison whatsoever. The US carriers have all taken the low cost approach. Most foreign carriers, on the other hand, still pay attention to customer service.
 
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My vote definitely goes to the foreign airline.... Although Virgin and those hot FA's might change my mind:D
 
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Night and day difference.
 
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Foreign Airlines, especially those in the middle east and asia, have a pretty significant cost advantage over the US airlines, allowing them to raise their level of service greatly. The cost advantage is a result of a multitude of factors. Here's the wiki article about Emirates business model, which should give a basic understanding of why some of these carriers are able to afford giving an exceptional level of service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_business_model
 
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Emirates business model
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Emirates aircraft parked Dubai International Airport
The so-called "Emirates business model" lies at the heart of the airline's commercial success.[1] Its main ingredients are a lean workforce comparable to a low-cost carrier and a flat organisational structure that allows the airline to maintain low overhead costs.[2]
Some industry analysts believe the airline is second only to Ryanair on a cash cost per seat basis due to lower operating costs at its Dubai base.[2] This enables it to serve secondary destinations profitably by connecting these via its global hub in Dubai.[3][4]
Emirates has not joined any global airline alliance, stating that unless an airline is the lead participant in such an alliance - e.g. Lufthansa in Star Alliance or Air France in SkyTeam, individual alliance members' freedom of action is compromised by the imposition of common alliance goals that mainly serve the interests of the alliance leaders.[5][6]
Emirates operates an all-widebody fleet. This results in lower unit costs compared to other large airlines operating mixed narrow- and widebody fleets and allows the airline to use the aircraft's cargo capacity to increase its revenues and total profits. Since Dubai International Airport does not have any night flying restrictions, Emirates achieves a higher utilisation of its aircraft than competitors. It also has fewer legacy costs than longer established rivals, and it helps that all forms of strikes are banned in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).[2]

Accusations of unfair competition



Emirates Airbus A330-200 (A6-EKS) landing at London Heathrow Airport
The established network carriers in Europe, Canada and Australasia, i.e. Air France-KLM, Lufthansa, British Airways, Air Canada, Qantas and Air New Zealand, perceive Emirates' strategic decision to reposition itself as a global carrier as a major threat because it allows air travellers to by-pass traditional airline hubs such as London Heathrow, Paris Charles de Gaulle, Frankfurt Airport and Amsterdam Schiphol on their way between Europe/North America and Asia/Australia by changing flights at Dubai instead. These carriers also find it difficult to deal with the growing competitive threat Emirates poses to their business because of their much higher cost base.
Some of these carriers — notably Air France and Qantas — are so concerned about the detrimental effects of Emirates' growth on their future ability to compete with it on a level playing field that they have resorted to openly accusing their Dubai-based rival of receiving hidden state subsidies and of maintaining too cosy a relationship with Dubai's airport authority as well as its aviation authority, both of which are also wholly state-owned entities that share the same government owner with the airline. In addition, they have also accused Emirates of taking unfair advantage of its government shareholder's sovereign borrower status. They claim that this masks its true financial performance and reduces its borrowing costs below market rates.[1][7][8][9]
[edit]Fuel subsidies
Many airlines have accused Emirates of receiving fuel subsidies from the Government of Dubai. The airline has always steadfastly denied these accusations, stating that it purchases its fuel at the same price, as well as on the same terms and conditions, as every other commercial airline at all airports at which it operates. In FY 2007/08, fuel accounted for more than 30% of Emirates total expenditure, comparable with other international long-haul carriers such as British Airways, Lufthansa, Qantas or Singapore Airlines.[10] [11][12]
[edit]Airport user charges
Emirates has also defended itself against competitor accusations claiming it pays discounted airport user charges at its home base. The airline rejected these claims, stating that it paid the same user charges at Dubai as everyone else, which were similar to those prevailing at other comparable airports in the region, including Abu Dhabi, Doha, and Bahrain. [12][13]
[edit]Local taxes
Many airlines have accused Emirates of having an unfair advantage, since it does not have to pay local taxes. The airline rejects these claims as misleading by clarifying that in the absence of income or corporate taxes in the UAE all airlines operating to and from Dubai benefit from this tax free environment. In this context, Emirates also stresses that it has paid the Government of Dubai dividends to the tune of US$776 million, in return for US$10 million in seed capital gifted to the airline at its inception in 1985.[12][14]
[edit]Sixth freedom traffic
Emirates robustly defends itself against recurring claims accusing it of stealing other airlines' transfer passengers. It points out that its detractors have carried international passenger traffic between different third country points on their networks via their hub airports for decades, and that Emirates is entitled do the same. Emirates furthermore points out that this enables it to offer regional passengers based in or near important secondary cities such as Glasgow, Newcastle, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Nice, Venice, Brisbane or Perth convenient, worldwide one-stop connections via its global hub in Dubai.[15][16]
[edit]Relationship between Emirates and the Government of Dubai
Emirates has countered rivals' frequent accusations that its ownership by the Government of Dubai amounted to a direct subsidy, representing an unfair competitive advantage not enjoyed by most other airlines, by stating that it was a fully fledged commercial enterprise run at arm's length from the Dubai government, despite being wholly owned by it.[9]
[edit]Labour cost advantages
Some airlines have claimed that being based in Dubai gives Emirates an unfair labour cost advantage over other airlines. Emirates has countered this by stating that it faces the same costs to attract and retain staff recruited from around the world on expatriate terms and conditions as other airlines. The airline points out that the total cost of expatriate employee benefits amounts to more than US$400 million per annum.[17]
[edit]Canadian expansion


Emirates Airbus A340-500
Emirates started flying to Canada on 29 October 2007, operating three weekly non-stop services on the Dubai-Toronto route.[18].
Emirates has experienced very high seat factors on its Canadian services, averaging 90% since the start of operations between Toronto and Dubai. This has already resulted in substitution of an Airbus A380-800 "superjumbo" for the smaller Boeing 777-300ER widebody originally used on this route. However, the current bilateral agreement between the UAE and Canada restricts Emirates to only three flights per week between Dubai and Canada. In addition to operating daily between Dubai and Toronto to give business and leisure passengers greater flexibility, the airline would like to add other cities such as Calgary and Vancouver to its UAE-Canada schedule.[19] The Canadian Government has stated it does not see the need for more services in response to these requests.[20]
The Canadian Government has claimed that Air Canada might be adversely affected by increased competition from Emirates and that this could undermine its viability.[21][22] Emirates has refuted these claims, stating that there was no direct competitive overlap between it and Air Canada, since the latter does not operate services to the UAE or to any points in the Middle East, Africa or the Indian subcontinent, places where Emirates' flights are always busy. Emirates also stated that this would benefit Air Canada as many of Emirates' Canadian passengers were transferring at Toronto to/from points on Air Canada's extensive North American network.[23]
[edit]German expansion


A330-200 landing at Düsseldorf Airport
Emirates commenced flights to Germany in July 1987 with the launch of scheduled services on the Dubai-Frankfurt route. As of 2009, Emirates operates 49 weekly passenger flights from Dubai to Germany, serving Frankfurt, Munich, Düsseldorf and Hamburg. Emirates also operates eleven weekly all-cargo flights from Dubai to Germany.[24] Germany is Emirates' second-biggest market in Europe (after the United Kingdom), carrying over one million passengers between Dubai and Germany during the 2007/08 financial year.[25]
Ever since 2007, Emirates wanted to fly to additional German cities, specifically Berlin and Stuttgart.[26][27][28]
In March 2009, Lufthansa said that it saw a competitive imbalance between Emirates and itself in the Germany-Dubai air travel market, effectively accusing the UAE carrier of stealing its transfer passengers between North America, the Middle East, Africa, India and the Far East. It also alleged that there were material differences in handling fees at Dubai Airport and unequal opportunities for the two airlines in each other's home markets. The latter relates to Emirates' heavy reliance on so-called "sixth freedom" traffic rights that enable it to carry passengers, cargo and mail between Germany and third countries via its hub in Dubai to fill most of the space on its Germany-Dubai flights, as a result of there being insufficient origin and destination traffic.[29][30]
Emirates has countered Lufthansa's claims by pointing out that its proposed German expansion would result in a "win-win" situation for both sides that would actually grow the German economy through additional economic activity generated, as a result of stimulating the air transport market between the two countries.[31]
An order of Germany's Federal Office for Goods Transport to Emirates to desist from price leadership on routes leaving Germany for non-European Union (EU) destinations and forcing it to raise relevant business class fares by up to 20% has been the focus of the latest disagreement between the UAE carrier on one hand and the German government and Lufthansa on the other. Despite the Federal Office for Goods Transport's insistence that it has not singled out Emirates unfairly by demanding similar remedial action of other airlines regarding fares charged on non-EU routes out of Germany, Andrew Parker, Emirates' Senior Vice-President, denied any knowledge of this being the case. He termed the German Federal Office for Goods Transport's decision "anti-consumer" and "commercially nonsensical". He also threatened to seek redress from the European Commission.[32][33][34]
 
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Remember, a lot of the foreign carriers are subsidized, in addition, it's a large cultural difference as well.

As Americans, we want white glove, four star service, but it sure in hell better show up on the top left of the Orbitz screen for being the cheapest.
 
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I agree with all this after taking a recent trip to Australia on Qantas. Service was amazing.
 
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.[1] Its main ingredients are a lean workforce comparable to a low-cost carrier and a flat organisational structure that allows the airline to maintain low overhead costs.

Does that mean they work their crews to the maximum allowable hours per month?
 
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Customer service in general (I'll point out Apple as an exception) sucks here in the US. Put the customer's needs first right? YEAH RIGHT!

If only they took to customer service with the same zeal the go around barking at seat backs to be 100% up we'd be in a different spot.

or

"I don't get paid enough to put the customer's needs first." Great attitude. Lazy, cough cough.
 
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Customer service in general (I'll point out Apple as an exception) sucks here in the US. Put the customer's needs first right? YEAH RIGHT!

If only they took to customer service with the same zeal the go around barking at seat backs to be 100% up we'd be in a different spot.

or

"I don't get paid enough to put the customer's needs first." Great attitude. Lazy, cough cough.

I was actually amazed, when I moved to the US, of the quality of the customer service for many products.

they really try to please the client, this is totally different in Europe, when you buy something and you leave the store that's it.

When I lived in the US I use to buy everything on-line, from clothes to book, everything (sometimes food). I was always satisfied, no matter which company I was ordering from, I had to return lots of things and I always got my money back....I use to have a debit card with one of the big banks, I wasn't allowed to go below 1500 dollars, I was outside the country for a month, and I kept using the card and I ended up below 1000 dollars. When I got back I found around 100 dollars in fees to pay to the bank, I decided to call them telling them I was out of the country and I lost track of my spending...they removed the fees, this is amazing I can't imagine something like this in Europe.

Airlines are an other subject, if I fly to or from the US, I try not to take an us carrier ...
 
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Remember, a lot of the foreign carriers are subsidized, in addition, it's a large cultural difference as well.

Exactly. This makes the overhead cost of the US Airlines MUCH larger than foreign carriers. Take FAs for example. Delta has 30 year FAs making 50k+ while Singapore Airlines kicks their FAs to the curb after a certain age and brings in fresh new face at fresh new-hire pay.

Or pilots. Some of these middle eastern and Asian airlines launch 777s across the world with 2 experienced pilots and then cadets as lower paid relief officers. Two days ago I was going thru security at IAD with the Qatar 777-300ER crew. There was a grey hair european expat captain, then two young pilots with two stripes. Definitely in their twenties. I thinking there had to be a three stripe but I didn't see one. Probably was running behind or ahead.
 
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Exactly. This makes the overhead cost of the US Airlines MUCH larger than foreign carriers. Take FAs for example. Delta has 30 year FAs making 50k+ while Singapore Airlines kicks their FAs to the curb after a certain age and brings in fresh new face at fresh new-hire pay.

Or pilots. Some of these middle eastern and Asian airlines launch 777s across the world with 2 experienced pilots and then cadets as lower paid relief officers. Two days ago I was going thru security at IAD with the Qatar 777-300ER crew. There was a grey hair european expat captain, then two young pilots with two stripes. Definitely in their twenties. I thinking there had to be a three stripe but I didn't see one. Probably was running behind or ahead.

what about European airlines then?
 
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Remember, a lot of the foreign carriers are subsidized, in addition, it's a large cultural difference as well.

As Americans, we want white glove, four star service, but it sure in hell better show up on the top left of the Orbitz screen for being the cheapest.

:yeahthat:

US airlines have been forced (by the race to the price bottom) to eliminate so many services & amenities to pax. It's really very sad. Things like playing cards, magazines, food, blankets have either disappeared or become something pax have to pay extra for. The front-line employees (agents & F/As) have no control of the disappearance of such things, yet they bear the grunt of the pax frustration that these items are no longer available.

People want 50's/60's first class experience, and want to pay $100 coast-to-coast. Not going to happen.

US airlines aren't subsidized. The "glamour days" of US airline flying were when routes were heavily regulated. The product we see today is a direct result of deregulation.

I hope this doesn't become a "let's trash on flight attendants" thread. There are certainly ones out there with bad attitudes, and I'm not defending them. There are a lot of F/As out there though, who do their jobs best they can, with the tools they have now.
 
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Until the U.S. airlines are allowed to basically collude on ticket prices or the gub'ment steps in to re-regulate minimum pricing on routes we are going to continue this vicious cycle. At this point it is fairly safe to say the free market doesn't work with the airlines all that well.

Then maybe, airlines can compete for customer's on service and the experience and not be quite as concerned with pricing.
 
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I've been flying a lot, and finally as a paying customer so I can complain! I'm eager to do so! ;)

Yesterday was a nightmare for travel... SEA-SLC-DFW on SouthernJets as a last minute paying customer (ie highest non-first class fare!)... it wasn't really that the service was poor, it was just the whole Airport experience was awful. Very full 757, which is great for the airline I guess, but crappy for me.

I start twitching when I hear someone talking on the phone while taxiing, which invariably happens on EVERY FLIGHT. You have any idea how long it takes to deplane a 757 when everyone in front of you is stupid about it? So many people breathing all of my air, it was exhausting.

In my whole round trip I only flew on a non-CRJ once, which was the 757 SEA-SLC leg.
 
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...At this point it is fairly safe to say the free market doesn't work with the airlines all that well.

Then maybe, airlines can compete for customer's on service and the experience and not be quite as concerned with pricing.

Actually the free market (or such a version as we currently have) works exactly as is intended. The public as a whole has decided that they'd rather save money than to have better service.

That may not be the outcome that we'd like to see, but it doesn't mean that the free market (sic) doesn't work.
 
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I've never thought the difference was THAT big. Flown on Qantas, Lufthansa, ANA, Cathay as well as most of the US-based ones. It really just depends on the flight attendants. Although the asian airlines are always friendly but that is more a cultural difference. Never flown a middle eastern airline but I'd guess it's similar. If you fly a UAL flight inside of Asia they use Asian-based flight attendants and there is definitely a difference. But that's the culture and not the company.
 
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