QOL @ SKW, now

I don't agree with the "no JSs for non-union guys," but I do see the point. Yeah, the company owns the seat, but the CA has more or less the say of who sits there. Without ALPA, that seat would only go to check airmen doing line checks or company personel needing to get from point A to point B. It costs jet fuel and time to get a JSer on board with no compensation to the company. If they could make it where they could DH someone in the jumpseat to free up a spot in the back, I'm sure they'd rather do that than let some guy have a free ride. Without ALPA negotiating the JS in agreements and through reciprocal agreements, that ride to work wouldn't exist. Who do you think negotiates those recip agreements? It's not the company.....
 
meritflyer said:
The sentiment at my base amongst several carriers is the union carriers should/will deny the JS to SKYW guys as "punishment" for showing a complete disregard for ALPA and it's mission, not once but three times. I've personally heard multiple conversations from crew members at several airlines supporting the notion.
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What base are you in? This needs to be put to a stop NOW. Many of our pilots rely on SkyWest to get to work and for personal travel. Starting a jumpseat war will NOT help ANYONE. Regardless of their choices about union membership.

Ridiculous!
 
The problem with denying Skywest pilots a jumpseat, is the fact that you might be denying it to one of the folks that lead the organization drive.
 
PCL_128 said:
The jumpseat belongs to the Captain, and the right to occupy it was secured by ALPA. Without ALPA, there would be no flight deck jumpseating post-9/11. Captain Woerth barely was able to save jumpseating in the days right after 9/11. Most people in the government wanted to put an end to the practice completely. Just one more thing that ALPA has done for the Skywest pilots, and they contribute nothing to the cause.

I won't be asking Skywest pilots for jumpseats anymore, just as I won't ask GoJet, Skybus, , or Virgin America pilots for a jumpseat. If I wouldn't give them a ride, then I won't ask them for one.
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Should I start denying your pilots the jumpseat since you aren't ALPA? You know, because it is an ALPA negotiated benefit?

You don't commute, do you?
 
FlyChicaga said:
What base are you in? This needs to be put to a stop NOW. Many of our pilots rely on SkyWest to get to work and for personal travel. Starting a jumpseat war will NOT help ANYONE. Regardless of their choices about union membership.

Ridiculous!
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Exactly!
:yeahthat:

This has the "I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude to it. Tell whom ever subscribes to this to grow up.
 
Starting a jumpseat war really doesn't solve anything in the long run. Yes you make it hard for a guy to get to work, but what does that do long term?

Get him on the plane and FORCE him to sit up front, then you can give em your mind about why unions are so important and why they are doing a diservice to their professionalism by not belonging to one.


my measly .00000000002 cents
 
FlyChicaga said:
Should I start denying your pilots the jumpseat since you aren't ALPA? You know, because it is an ALPA negotiated benefit?
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Jumpseating is a union negotiated benefit, not necessarily ALPA, although ALPA has done the most work. We have several clauses in our contract that deal with jumpseating, and we're currently negotiating to make sure that management can no longer charge a "non-rev fee" to the second jumpseater. But you can deny whoever you want. It's your jumpseat, and I'll never tell you that you don't have the right to deny someone.

You don't commute, do you?
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Not anymore, but I commuted for over five years when I worked at Pinnacle.
 
Ophir said:
Are you going to interrogate someone who requests the jumpseat for their vote?
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"Interrogate?" It's pretty simple. "So how did you vote on union representation?" If they answer "no," then the response is "sorry, but I don't allow anti-union pilots to get free rides on my jumpseat. Have a nice day." If they answer "yes," then the response is "make yourself at home." Pretty simple, really.
 
Seggy said:
Starting a jumpseat war really doesn't solve anything in the long run. Yes you make it hard for a guy to get to work, but what does that do long term?

Get him on the plane and FORCE him to sit up front, then you can give em your mind about why unions are so important and why they are doing a diservice to their professionalism by not belonging to one.


my measly .00000000002 cents
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I think you're right Seggy. Denying any pilot the privileges afforded historically by this group would be in direct contradiction of fraternity of the pilot group. Let's keep our heads together here. Were all in this together. Remember, so many of the SKYW pilots that didn't vote were former ALPA members.
 
PCL_128 said:
"Interrogate?" It's pretty simple. "So how did you vote on union representation?" If they answer "no," then the response is "sorry, but I don't allow anti-union pilots to get free rides on my jumpseat. Have a nice day." If they answer "yes," then the response is "make yourself at home." Pretty simple, really.
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I wouldn't tell you what I voted no matter what. It is non of your business. But as soon as you deny me the jumpseat then you will have the entire SKYW pilot group denying it too.
 
Actually if done properly it can really make the no voter/nonunion supporter feel like a fool.

Nonunion supporter XYZ airline pilot: Hi Captain Smith can I get a ride to Denver trying to go to work?

Captain Smith: Sure! Just need to see license, medical, and union card...

Nonunion supporter XYZ airline pilot: Ahh, I don't have a union card. We are a nonunion airline, we don't need a union, ahhh

Captain Smith: Why not? You know jumpseating is a union negotiated privilege. Why should we let you on board our plane if you are not on board with trying to raise the bar?

Nonunion supporter XYZ airline pilot: Ahhh, well, ahhh, jeez, I really need to get to work.

Captain Smith: I'm going to take the high road and let you on board, however you will sit in the jumpseat even though there are seats in the back and we will talk why unions are important in this industry.


Like I said, my measly .000000002 on this issue.
 
Ophir said:
I wouldn't tell you what I voted no matter what.
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Then you wouldn't ride on my airplane. Or Velo's. Or many of the ASA pilots. Etc...

It is non of your business.
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Actually, it is. Were supposed to be in this together, but 66% of your pilot group decided to stab the rest of us in the back. I take that personally, and so do many other pilots. Skywest doesn't exist in a vacuum. What you guys do affects the rest of the industry, so it most certainly is "our business."

But as soon as you deny me the jumpseat then you will have the entire SKYW pilot group denying it too.
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That fine, and entirely fair. Which is exactly why I would never act like a hypocrite and request a jumpseat from someone that I wouldn't extend that privilege to. Same reason I don't jumpseat on GoJet, Skybus, etc...
 
You know I'm starting to agree with PCL128 with his "stabbed in the back" comment. While I'm not naive and I understand that everyone goes to work with their best interest at heart, above all taking care of oneself, I do think that when given the choice to better the industry most would hope to do so. Unfortunately I don't see this with the SKYW pilot group, I think they are only interested in themselves....Mainly flying as big a CRJ as possible at whatever cost. They'll put in their time, hopefully enjoy a quick upgrade and leave if they want. That's fine. But now by giving ALPA (which I'm a member of) the middle finger they've shown themselves to be totally selfish. Why should we care about them when they disregard us?

I'm curious to see how Velo weighs in on this. This is an airline that operates in your backyard , and I'm sure they'd love to fly aircraft in Alaskan colors. Should SKWY get a "pass" for being a regional or can they get added to the likes of Skybus/Virgin etc?
 
Baronman, the thing I ask is that when you have a Colgan guy come up to you to ask for a jumpseat ride to EWR to get to work, you make him to sit up front with you and educate him about the benefits of a union in this industry. We are going to have a lot of newbies in EWR, we have to educate these new comers to the industry to see that it is more than flying a shiny new airplane. We will also have a lot of our senior captains there. Make sure they know the reason they are being allowed to get to work without paying for a ticket is because of a union negotiated benefit.

Hopefully, then the second time the vote comes around here, we will win. You guys were awesome in the drive, we will need your help even more next time!
 
Baronman said:
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I'm curious to see how Velo weighs in on this. This is an airline that operates in your backyard , and I'm sure they'd love to fly aircraft in Alaskan colors. Should SKWY get a "pass" for being a regional or can they get added to the likes of Skybus/Virgin etc?
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From one of the other SkyW threads....

Velocipede said:
I wonder if they would have been so apathetic is people asked to see their union card before they were allowed to jumpseat.
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wheelsup said:
All of us at the regional level undercut the "big boys" and screwed them big time. None of us have a place to talk, IMO.
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I agree with that statement almost 100%, but also remember that the "big boys," are the one's who gave up the scope. They didn't want to fly RJ's when management presented it to them. The "Big Boys" have much blame for the RJ situation that is today.
 
aloft said:
Couple things:
2) The jumpseat belongs to your company, not your union.
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Wrong. It's a union negotiated benefit and it's offered by the captain of the ship.

You SkyWest guys ought to start making note by name of anybody who denies you a ride based on who you're employed by.
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This is way over the top but ultimately I think the results of such an action would be much less favorable to the non-union guys.
 
Baronman said:
This is an airline that operates in your backyard , and I'm sure they'd love to fly aircraft in Alaskan colors. Should SKWY get a "pass" for being a regional or can they get added to the likes of Skybus/Virgin etc?
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I know I am not Velo but I often wonder the same thing.

However, they are just another non-unionized carrier that thinks somehow they're better off without joining PILOTS' cause.

Why should they be exempt from "the list"?
 
Ophir said:
I wouldn't tell you what I voted no matter what. It is non of your business. But as soon as you deny me the jumpseat then you will have the entire SKYW pilot group denying it too.
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Like I said, this would not work out so well for the non-union guys in the long haul.

I, however think it's not necessary.
 
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