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That really is disconcerting. I just tried calling the Aviation Services Division at 405-954-4657, but they were apparently already closed for the day - I called twice, each time getting, "No agents are available at this time to take your call. Please try your call again later," before it hung up. I'll definitely be calling tomorrow.
 
I took the ATSAT on Tues. Oct. 14th and just received my scores this morning. Made the "well qualified" group with a 90.7

Anyone heard anything about Virginia hiring?
 
Try calling Aviation Services; I've tried calling twice this morning and still can't get through to an agent. Your luck may be better.
 
chichi said:
I think tower and TRACON should be reversed... TRACON is about 5-6 weeks and tower is about 8 weeks.

Also, anyone going to an up/down will eventually have to return to OKC for about 4 weeks for radar training.
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Chichi, TRACON is longer than Tower. i knew i had it right, but i checked again just in case. tower is the shortest, then TRACON, then center
 
bippoptl said:
Chichi, TRACON is longer than Tower. i knew i had it right, but i checked again just in case. tower is the shortest, then TRACON, then center
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Hmm I've always thought TRACON was shorter than tower... oh well... I learned something new. Carry on :panic:
 
I have to admit, I don't entirely understand all of the options we are allowed to take. According to the application, we either select enroute or terminal, and thats it.

What are Tracon and Center, and how do you end up there? Is this selected by the applicant or assigned by the FAA? Are these other options in the Geopref?

More importantly, is there a thread in existence that gives a detailed explanation of each different position and precisely what they entail. I have had the differences between terminal and enroute explained to me in general, but thats all.

I assume a center is just working a much larger terminal in a higher volume airport, but I could be completely wrong?

I feel like a real clueless newbie having to ask this stuff, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me towards a place I can get this info. :panic:
 
Umlaut said:
I have to admit, I don't entirely understand all of the options we are allowed to take. According to the application, we either select enroute or terminal, and thats it.

What are Tracon and Center, and how do you end up there? Is this selected by the applicant or assigned by the FAA? Are these other options in the Geopref?

More importantly, is there a thread in existence that gives a detailed explanation of each different position and precisely what they entail. I have had the differences between terminal and enroute explained to me in general, but thats all.

I assume a center is just working a much larger terminal in a higher volume airport, but I could be completely wrong?

I feel like a real clueless newbie having to ask this stuff, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me towards a place I can get this info. :panic:
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Terminal is a Tower and Tracon

En Route is a Center

you get an email and get to choose 2 states you would be willing to work in, and if you would work in a Terminal, En Route, or Both.



if you check places like Howstuffworks.com, and and Wikipedia, and search for air traffic control...you will find information about the whole process, and it gives way more detail than anyone here will be willing to type im sure.
 
Umlaut said:
I have to admit, I don't entirely understand all of the options we are allowed to take. According to the application, we either select enroute or terminal, and thats it.

What are Tracon and Center, and how do you end up there? Is this selected by the applicant or assigned by the FAA? Are these other options in the Geopref?

More importantly, is there a thread in existence that gives a detailed explanation of each different position and precisely what they entail. I have had the differences between terminal and enroute explained to me in general, but thats all.

I assume a center is just working a much larger terminal in a higher volume airport, but I could be completely wrong?

I feel like a real clueless newbie having to ask this stuff, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could point me towards a place I can get this info. :panic:
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Enroute = Center = ARTCC.

TRACON = Terminal Radar Approach CONtrol.


There was a post either on here or on StuckMic that explained things pretty well, I will try to find it.
 
Terminal = Tower or TRACON (Terminal Radar Approach CONtrol)
Enroute = Center

towers provide ground control, clearance delivery and take-off/landing clearances. Most towers employ 15 to 40 contollers. More at busier airports.

TRACONS provide climbing/descending control and separation near busy terminal airports (ie big International airports, usually class B) and they also provide approach control and separation on arrival and departure to satellite airports within their airspace. Denver TRACON, the only one I've been to, employs about 65 to 70 contollers right now (with a target of about 90, I think) I'm not sure if all TRACONS staff about the same or not.

Centers control airborne traffic in all other areas. Most centers cover a hundred thousand square miles or more. A center usually employ hundreds of controllers.

I think that about sums it up, to the best of my knowledge anyway... :crazy:
 
Thanks for your amazingly fast responses and clarification. Apparently it was just an issue of me understanding all there darn FAA acronyms. So at the end of the day, you are still just selecting terminal and enroute, and which area you end up at, is determined by the size and the needs of the airports you select.

Finally, I've got my crap together.
 
Terminal / Tower

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Enroute / Center

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jermscentral said:
That really is disconcerting. I just tried calling the Aviation Services Division at 405-954-4657, but they were apparently already closed for the day - I called twice, each time getting, "No agents are available at this time to take your call. Please try your call again later," before it hung up. I'll definitely be calling tomorrow.
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I will see if I can get through. Getting the same issue. ugh! any other numbers we can try?
 
vyper1278 said:
Just got through. She is going to call me back after researching the issue. Will update then
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I just got through as well. The lady was surprised when I told her I hadn't been able to get through all week, saying the phones have barely been ringing -- sounds like a phone switch problem.

Anyway, she wasn't really sure why our scores had not been posted, saying that the ones from all the other dates that have already gotten their scores must have just gotten scored before us -- even the ones that took the test after us. She said to call back if it doesn't show up by the end of the week.

She also encouraged me to apply for PUBNAT7 that is going to be announced in the next couple of weeks. :D
 
I can always count on you guys to keep the near insanity from waiting at bay with all the questions and hilarious responses. I owe you all a drink when we make it to OKC...
 
I've read a lot of different posts with a lot of different angles on this, but does anyone actually have reliable word about when we should expect our geo-pref emails for PubNat4? After reading Pubnat3's board, it looks like they havent got theirs yet either. So assuming they combine 3 with 4, should we be hopeful for November?
The more I hear about people in Pubnat4 still waiting for their AT-SAT scores, the more I think this can't be realistic.

I know its been rehashed before, but if anyone has anything close to definitive or reliable word on this, please, humor me.
 
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