PUBNAT 5- Announcement ending 7/31
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MPrice
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OH SWEET A SHOULDER COOKIE!!!!
but yea im OTS with zero avaiation experience. only way i found out about it was from a friend of my fathers who works in the tower here at MCO. and yea i just google FAA ASAP as well. so much quicker then the original way i had to keep finding it.
but yea im OTS with zero avaiation experience. only way i found out about it was from a friend of my fathers who works in the tower here at MCO. and yea i just google FAA ASAP as well. so much quicker then the original way i had to keep finding it.
MPrice
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lol you sound like your definatly from the south with the cow tipping remark. but i guess you could say i do have some avaition experince. i play Flight simulator alot, does that count?
Wags8675309
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No experience in the Aviation Industry other than the fact that my wife is a flight attendant. I didnt even hear about the job from her. I heard something on the news about a massive Myspace campain to hire new ATCs and found the job posting there. No experience Cow Tipping either! No idea how fast things are gonna move here but found another cool article online. Check out the last two sentences in the article:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18901870/detail.html#-
Is Air Traffic Control Staffing Making The Skies Unsafe?
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT March 10, 2009Updated: 11:40 pm PDT March 10, 2009
OAKLAND, Calif. -- When you step in an airplane you place your trust in the person behind the controls: the pilot.The pilot, in turn, places trust in the person behind the radar screen or in the tower, the air traffic controller.Roughly 11,000 air traffic controllers in the United States are responsible for the safe guidance of tens of thousands of flights every day. They make sure planes and passengers criss crossing a complex and congested maze of air space don't collide or crash."It is like putting together a 3-dimensional jig saw puzzle that's moving," said air traffic controller Scott Conde. "And you can't make a mistake when you do it."Those mistakes can be deadly.A Comair jet crashed during take off from Lexington, Kentucky after the pilot, maneuvering in the dark, departed from the wrong runway.Investigators said there was one controller handling air traffic, ground traffic and radar coverage all at the same time, which contributed to the crash.The National Transporatation Safety Board, the NTSB, said there should have been at least two controllers.Former United Airlines pilot Bruce Milan agrees.Bruce Milan flew for United Airlines for 32 years and now flies corporate jets."You have one controller wearing 3 hats," said Milan. "He may be giving a departure clearance, he may be controlling ground and he may be controlling the tower."Milan told KTVU that there has been a steady erosion of air traffic control and controllers stretched too thin trying to do too much.Six recent near misses in the skies above southern California prompted Senator Dianne Feinstein to call for an audit of controller staffing levels.She wants to know if there are enough controllers to keep the skies safe.Scott Conde represents the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, which says the FAA has failed to hire and adequately train replacements in response to a wave of retirements.The Association says that has made the skies less safe, and in January it declared a staffing emergency at the two major air traffic control facilities in northern California.The group says northern California Tracon, which handles air traffic in the Bay Area and Sacramento, should have almost 200 qualified controllers, but has just 130.And the association says Oakland center, which handles other air traffic across northern California, Nevada and Oregon, as well as 18-million square miles of the Pacific, lost 20 controllers last year.The FAA is hiring controllers. but the union says many new employees are being rushed into jobs that should take years of training.Local pilots believe the FAA is quick to hire anyone even if they don't have the training.The FAA defends its staffing levels, however, and points to the much improved safety record of air travel in recent years.Although they did see an increase in controller errors in early 2008, they insist the numbers are way down this year so far.An FAA spokesperson said they have implemented some measures to try to reduce the errors.But Bruce Milan isn't convinced the skies are safer."Some of it is luck," he said. "There's no doubt about that. There are near misses and they go unreported a lot of times. And some of it's a little bit covered up i think."Controllers said that unless staffing levels are improved, that luck could run out.The Department of Transportation will have its say on what the FAA should do, if anything, about air traffic control staffing levels.That report is due out any day.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/18901870/detail.html#-
Is Air Traffic Control Staffing Making The Skies Unsafe?
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT March 10, 2009Updated: 11:40 pm PDT March 10, 2009
OAKLAND, Calif. -- When you step in an airplane you place your trust in the person behind the controls: the pilot.The pilot, in turn, places trust in the person behind the radar screen or in the tower, the air traffic controller.Roughly 11,000 air traffic controllers in the United States are responsible for the safe guidance of tens of thousands of flights every day. They make sure planes and passengers criss crossing a complex and congested maze of air space don't collide or crash."It is like putting together a 3-dimensional jig saw puzzle that's moving," said air traffic controller Scott Conde. "And you can't make a mistake when you do it."Those mistakes can be deadly.A Comair jet crashed during take off from Lexington, Kentucky after the pilot, maneuvering in the dark, departed from the wrong runway.Investigators said there was one controller handling air traffic, ground traffic and radar coverage all at the same time, which contributed to the crash.The National Transporatation Safety Board, the NTSB, said there should have been at least two controllers.Former United Airlines pilot Bruce Milan agrees.Bruce Milan flew for United Airlines for 32 years and now flies corporate jets."You have one controller wearing 3 hats," said Milan. "He may be giving a departure clearance, he may be controlling ground and he may be controlling the tower."Milan told KTVU that there has been a steady erosion of air traffic control and controllers stretched too thin trying to do too much.Six recent near misses in the skies above southern California prompted Senator Dianne Feinstein to call for an audit of controller staffing levels.She wants to know if there are enough controllers to keep the skies safe.Scott Conde represents the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, which says the FAA has failed to hire and adequately train replacements in response to a wave of retirements.The Association says that has made the skies less safe, and in January it declared a staffing emergency at the two major air traffic control facilities in northern California.The group says northern California Tracon, which handles air traffic in the Bay Area and Sacramento, should have almost 200 qualified controllers, but has just 130.And the association says Oakland center, which handles other air traffic across northern California, Nevada and Oregon, as well as 18-million square miles of the Pacific, lost 20 controllers last year.The FAA is hiring controllers. but the union says many new employees are being rushed into jobs that should take years of training.Local pilots believe the FAA is quick to hire anyone even if they don't have the training.The FAA defends its staffing levels, however, and points to the much improved safety record of air travel in recent years.Although they did see an increase in controller errors in early 2008, they insist the numbers are way down this year so far.An FAA spokesperson said they have implemented some measures to try to reduce the errors.But Bruce Milan isn't convinced the skies are safer."Some of it is luck," he said. "There's no doubt about that. There are near misses and they go unreported a lot of times. And some of it's a little bit covered up i think."Controllers said that unless staffing levels are improved, that luck could run out.The Department of Transportation will have its say on what the FAA should do, if anything, about air traffic control staffing levels.That report is due out any day.
sestevens
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I, too, play a great deal of Flight Sim. I'm also on what's called VATSIM, which is basically an MMORPG for flight sim. There are pilots and controllers and you file flight plans and everything's very realistic. I do controlling on there, and believe it or not, it's actually gotten me quite a bit of experience, as a lot of the people on there are retired or still active pilots and controllers, so all the procedures and lingo are the same. Even the software is a direct emulation of the actual tower software.
Wow, listen to me plug that like I'm on the radio.
I am from Oklahoma. I am sorry to say there is not that much cow tipping to be done. Frisbee golf, on the other hand? Sign me up!
Wow, listen to me plug that like I'm on the radio.
I am from Oklahoma. I am sorry to say there is not that much cow tipping to be done. Frisbee golf, on the other hand? Sign me up!
MPrice
New Member
LOL, actually I was born and raised and still live in New York. Cow tipping just sounds like fun.anic: I want either JFK, LGA,or FRG
lol well maybe you should come down here to florida one time and vist disney. theres plenty of cows around here that could use a good tipping :rawk:
CharlieFoxtrot
New Member
Tell me more about VATSIM
I'm on a closed network at the moment and can't get their site to run properly. Is it a member-fee, or ad revenue driven site?
-=Deniz=-
Well-Known Member
OMG when is this email coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Theres already a pubnat 8! I feel bad for those guys that are just applying they got a ways to go!
I played it so much I got sick of it, and know I hate it! I went from turn it on to do some maneuvers in the extra 300, to weight and balance,fuel calculation and wx data for the flight to midway in the 73. And know the only thing I fly is the PMDG 737NG or the wilco 737 for SWA. It adds realism but it is boring as heck, so cow tipping in OKC sounds pretty good:rawk:
BTW if anyone here is in th NY long island area and wants todo some GA flying to split the cost let me know! (Ladies only)
I played it so much I got sick of it, and know I hate it! I went from turn it on to do some maneuvers in the extra 300, to weight and balance,fuel calculation and wx data for the flight to midway in the 73. And know the only thing I fly is the PMDG 737NG or the wilco 737 for SWA. It adds realism but it is boring as heck, so cow tipping in OKC sounds pretty good:rawk:
BTW if anyone here is in th NY long island area and wants todo some GA flying to split the cost let me know! (Ladies only)
sestevens
New Member
Tell me more about VATSIM
It's totally free. It's not a site so much as a network. They have a site (vatsim.net). It can probably answer any questions a lot better than I can.
There's a PUBNAT8?