PUBNAT 5- Announcement ending 7/31

I heard a rumor that makes a lil bit of sense, and it goes like this: With all the applicant's to the pubnats the FAA has noticed that there are many who posess CTI training or an instrument rating,knowing this, they are filtering all the applicants which is causing along wait. I don't know if it is true or not but I'd like to beleive that's what is going on, and recently an announcement for CTI grads has opened up so I think maybe there is some truth to this.
 
I heard a rumor that makes a lil bit of sense, and it goes like this: With all the applicant's to the pubnats the FAA has noticed that there are many who posess CTI training or an instrument rating,knowing this, they are filtering all the applicants which is causing along wait. I don't know if it is true or not but I'd like to beleive that's what is going on, and recently an announcement for CTI grads has opened up so I think maybe there is some truth to this.

What you said doesn't make sense. Not saying I agree or disagree, I just don't understand what you are trying to say.

Yes a CTI announcement was recently opened and it will be processed separately from the all the PUBNAT's (Just like the VRA announcements)... they tend to move a little quicker.
 
I heard a rumor that makes a lil bit of sense, and it goes like this: With all the applicant's to the pubnats the FAA has noticed that there are many who posess CTI training or an instrument rating,knowing this, they are filtering all the applicants which is causing along wait. I don't know if it is true or not but I'd like to beleive that's what is going on, and recently an announcement for CTI grads has opened up so I think maybe there is some truth to this.

Anyone else notice the rumor mill moving? Its my understand that Vet and CTI grads have ALWAYS recieved a different treatment than OTS(off the street) applicants. I believe that information comes directly from Pam at Avaition Careers Davision I don't think this news is new? best of luck to all the OTS applicants, as we need it. I myself am one of the OTS apps wishing to get my foot in the door.

Be patient Alot of people have heard that the panels are at the end of April and that Geo Prefs come out about 1 month prior. That would be a good indication that we are getting them this week, or even next week so cross your fingers.

Hey mprice u still going to give me 20 bucks if im right by guessing the date of geo prefs 3/27/09 or .... 3/23/09, 3/24/09, 3/25/09, 3/26/09, 3/30/09 but probably last possible day of guessing 3/31/09 at 4:59 CST yay!

Good luck to all and what I'm trying to say is that It's my believe that they have always done this and its nothing new about seperating the canidates with CTI VET, CTI, VET, WQ, Q applicants and each area has a certain number off apps they are going to take.

Another guess tho was that they just draw from a hat.
 

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Yeah I'msorry about that guys I just reread mypost, what Imwas trying to express was that the FAA is sifting through all the OTS apps for those who are current or graduted CTI students or those who have an instrument rating. They are prioritizing their appliant lists.

Its my understand that Vet and CTI grads have ALWAYS recieved a different treatment than OTS

This is true, like I just mentioned they are trying to prioritize, opening up this CTI announcement is a way to do just that (see who of the PUBNAT applicant list they can cross off). THen go down the list of who they want. Sorry if it was confusing but these rumors usally do come with loads of understanding and miscommunication:whatever:

It's my believe that they have always done this and its nothing new about seperating the canidates with CTI VET, CTI, VET, WQ, Q

The rumor suggests that within each category there may be those that are more prepared/qualified than their peers
 
Yeah I'msorry about that guys I just reread mypost, what Imwas trying to express was that the FAA is sifting through all the OTS apps for those who are current or graduted CTI students or those who have an instrument rating. They are prioritizing their appliant lists.



This is true, like I just mentioned they are trying to prioritize, opening up this CTI announcement is a way to do just that (see who of the PUBNAT applicant list they can cross off). THen go down the list of who they want. Sorry if it was confusing but these rumors usally do come with loads of understanding and miscommunication:whatever:



The rumor suggests that within each category there may be those that are more prepared/qualified than their peers


And where did you hear this rumor?

Not to mention, they open up the CTI announcements every 6 months. Its so those that are graduating (see every end of semester/quarter) can apply. Not because they're trying to thin out the list for the OTS'ers.
 
Hey mprice u still going to give me 20 bucks if im right by guessing the date of geo prefs 3/27/09 or .... 3/23/09, 3/24/09, 3/25/09, 3/26/09, 3/30/09 but probably last possible day of guessing 3/31/09 at 4:59 CST yay!

lol arent you guessing way to many days there? i only chose one day.
 
Yeah I'msorry about that guys I just reread mypost, what Imwas trying to express was that the FAA is sifting through all the OTS apps for those who are current or graduted CTI students or those who have an instrument rating. They are prioritizing their appliant lists.



This is true, like I just mentioned they are trying to prioritize, opening up this CTI announcement is a way to do just that (see who of the PUBNAT applicant list they can cross off). THen go down the list of who they want. Sorry if it was confusing but these rumors usally do come with loads of understanding and miscommunication:whatever:



The rumor suggests that within each category there may be those that are more prepared/qualified than their peers

The ASAP system rates applicants based on specific answers received on the application. The application asks if you have or have held certain flight certificates to include an instrument rating, flight time over 350 hours, and dispatch qualifications, among others. So, the point that they are compiling a list of applicants from most qualified to least qualified is accurate. Candidates with CTI backgrounds and/or extensive flight experience possess knowledge that will help. Along with the system rating an application, AC Division personnel are reviewing the applications, and look at TYPE of work experience, education, AT-SAT scores, etc. to help with further seperation of candidates.

My dad (Air Traffic Manager) told me, recently the AC Division finally got individuals helping out with the rating of applicants, and the people helping are educated in the field (Ret. ATC, etc.). This was at the request of many facilities. In the past, HR personnel within the AC division were rating applicants, but they had no experience in the field of ATC or aviation, so had no idea what TYPE of experience they should be looking for except that the applicant had the minimum work experience. A lot of people seem to think that the AT-SAT score is everything...it is extremely important to score high, but the TYPE of background coupled with your scores will determine if you are near the top of the list or bottom of the list being reviewed at panels. Some of the bigger facilities are also looking for more qualified individuals to help with the high washout rate. AT-SAT scores ALONE will not accurately predict a candidates potential.

He also told me that panels are still scheduled for end of April, but things can change everyday.
 
The ASAP system rates applicants based on specific answers received on the application. The application asks if you have or have held certain flight certificates to include an instrument rating, flight time over 350 hours, and dispatch qualifications, among others. So, the point that they are compiling a list of applicants from most qualified to least qualified is accurate. Candidates with CTI backgrounds and/or extensive flight experience possess knowledge that will help. Along with the system rating an application, AC Division personnel are reviewing the applications, and look at TYPE of work experience, education, AT-SAT scores, etc. to help with further seperation of candidates.

My dad (Air Traffic Manager) told me, recently the AC Division finally got individuals helping out with the rating of applicants, and the people helping are educated in the field (Ret. ATC, etc.). This was at the request of many facilities. In the past, HR personnel within the AC division were rating applicants, but they had no experience in the field of ATC or aviation, so had no idea what TYPE of experience they should be looking for except that the applicant had the minimum work experience. A lot of people seem to think that the AT-SAT score is everything...it is extremely important to score high, but the TYPE of background coupled with your scores will determine if you are near the top of the list or bottom of the list being reviewed at panels. Some of the bigger facilities are also looking for more qualified individuals to help with the high washout rate. AT-SAT scores ALONE will not accurately predict a candidates potential.

He also told me that panels are still scheduled for end of April, but things can change everyday.

Please stop injecting LOGIC into this thread will ya?!:buck:
 
Please stop injecting LOGIC into this thread will ya?!:buck:

I know, right? :D

All of the information posted above is from my dad. He certainly does not have all of the answers, but between him and several other ATM's, Hub Managers he and I know, I feel they provide good/accurate information.
 
While I totally understand rating people higher who have more experience, expecting to get people with experience is not exactly consistent with off the street recruiting.

I guess I'm just grumpy because regardless of a WQ score...I feel at a big disadvantage
 
so do you want to ship me the 20 now or later?

lol i might end up having to unless they decide to push back the panel until june ;)

and atc hoepful the panel is refering to the selection panel. basicly a bunch of people sit down with 2 lists. the list of canidates and the list of faciltys and how many people they need then they go through each canidate and decide if he gets a facilty or not. though i dont know who makes up the panel
 
So once we get the geo email:

Do we know when the panels actually meet?

Are we notified when they are done?

And how long is the wait to know if we made it to the next step?
 
So once we get the geo email:

Do we know when the panels actually meet?

Are we notified when they are done?

And how long is the wait to know if we made it to the next step?

Many have been told by aviation careers (and I have been told by ATC managers) that the selection panel will meet at the end of April.

Just before panels meet, the referral list will be updated on the ASAP page. Select the submitted tab next to your application to see if your application will be part of those being reviewed at the panel.

Those who are selected for a facility will be contacted usually within a couple of weeks following the panels. I do not believe they will contact you to inform that you were not chosen.
 
Many have been told by aviation careers (and I have been told by ATC managers) that the selection panel will meet at the end of April.

Just before panels meet, the referral list will be updated on the ASAP page. Select the submitted tab next to your application to see if your application will be part of those being reviewed at the panel.

Those who are selected for a facility will be contacted usually within a couple of weeks following the panels. I do not believe they will contact you to inform that you were not chosen.

You will not be contacted directly if you were not chosen. Your ASAP page will be updated with if you are not chosen:

Referral list FA-AAC-09-18018: Issued on 01/08/2009 for the Throughout The Nation duty location at the FG-1 grade/payband.
  • Another candidate has been selected for announcement # AAC-AMH-08-PUBNAT3-09613 for which you applied. We appreciate your interest in employment with the Federal Aviation Administration. Please continue to check the website for vacancies of interest to you.
Not that I would know or anything :(
 
Many have been told by aviation careers (and I have been told by ATC managers) that the selection panel will meet at the end of April.

Just before panels meet, the referral list will be updated on the ASAP page. Select the submitted tab next to your application to see if your application will be part of those being reviewed at the panel.

Those who are selected for a facility will be contacted usually within a couple of weeks following the panels. I do not believe they will contact you to inform that you were not chosen.

Thanks for the info, CMS. The good news is that the wait between geo prefs and getting selected for a facility will be the shortest wait between steps yet (at least for PUB6)! Hopefully it'll only be around a month or month and a half.
 
does anyone know how they would contact you if you were selected for a position. Would that be on ASAP as well or do they send a congratulation email or phone call?
 
does anyone know how they would contact you if you were selected for a position. Would that be on ASAP as well or do they send a congratulation email or phone call?

Just wait for e-mails. ASAP only tells you if you've been selected for the AT-SAT. After that, it's pretty much all e-mail communication until you're in OKC.
 
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