PSA's fleet grounded
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Looks like they have a lot of cancellations...
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Screaming_Emu
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I remember that happened at ASA back in the day. Commuted in to find out that 90% of the fleet was grounded because they’d overlooked an engine inspection.
Zapphod Beblebrox
Inventor of the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
Speaking as an A&P,although not currently practicing, the key term here is "inspection." My bet is there is another key word here, "Audit." The Feds regularly "audit" maintenance records and check the write-ups and compliance with AD's and service bulletins and general inspection guidelines. There may be an inspection procedure on the nose gear where someone was taking a short cut rather than an extensive disassembly or other complex procedure that may have been in the manufacturers guidelines. Company maintenance management may have decided on a cheaper quicker procedure.
The FAA raises the red flag in the audit and the company knows that the way the FED's dole out penalty's is generally by a fixed rate per aircraft per flight. Something like a $1000 dollar fine is per occurrence. So the way to keep the fine smaller is immediately ground the fleet. No more flights, at least the problem will not get worse. The company may ultimately prevail but arguing with the FED's is almost always done with uncertain outcome. I remember a maintenance manager telling me that if you go to court against the FED's you have a greater chance of losing. Unless you are totally strong on your position, with supporting authority, like from the manufacturer, you will likely loose. You are being evaluated with regulatory comliance not weather your course of action is the best. In Administrative law, the Judge will generally yield to the governments case because Congress gave the FAA oversight, not because the are smarter or more correct.
US Air got a big fine in the 1990's over a cabin door inspection that required door removal on the DC-9. The company did a door in place inspection instead and paid millions for the error years later.
The FAA raises the red flag in the audit and the company knows that the way the FED's dole out penalty's is generally by a fixed rate per aircraft per flight. Something like a $1000 dollar fine is per occurrence. So the way to keep the fine smaller is immediately ground the fleet. No more flights, at least the problem will not get worse. The company may ultimately prevail but arguing with the FED's is almost always done with uncertain outcome. I remember a maintenance manager telling me that if you go to court against the FED's you have a greater chance of losing. Unless you are totally strong on your position, with supporting authority, like from the manufacturer, you will likely loose. You are being evaluated with regulatory comliance not weather your course of action is the best. In Administrative law, the Judge will generally yield to the governments case because Congress gave the FAA oversight, not because the are smarter or more correct.
US Air got a big fine in the 1990's over a cabin door inspection that required door removal on the DC-9. The company did a door in place inspection instead and paid millions for the error years later.
invadertim
In my experence, its always my fault.
I suspect there is a number of emergency meetings going on RIGHT NOW at every CRJ shop in the country. Those meetings are likely code red at the rest of the AA W/O's. I also suspect there will be A&P openings in Dayton soon.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I recall this happening twice when I was there
Of course the fleet was only 50 airplanes then and not 150. One time was due to a missed inspection and took a day or so to sort out, and one was over an improper manual update (from a year prior) that took a few hours to sort out.
Of course the fleet was only 50 airplanes then and not 150. One time was due to a missed inspection and took a day or so to sort out, and one was over an improper manual update (from a year prior) that took a few hours to sort out.
Sluggo
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Sounds like they’re going to be down for most of the day.
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Added an article about it
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Edit:
Added an article about it
Hundreds of American Flights Cancelled as PSA Regional Fleet Grounded – AirlineGeeks.com
PSA Airlines has grounded the majority of its fleet as it works to carry out required nose gear door inspections. PSA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of American Airlines and operates flights under the American Eagle banner. The grounding is related to a maintenance issue with the airline’s fleet...
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gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Is PSA publicly traded? Start buying now!
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Traded as part of American, whose stock is already being screwed with anyways.
DeltaAlphaNovember
Well-Known Member
So how far back does this go? Is it a recent required inspection?
bretthullrampage
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Some other interweb forumz say 6 years. No idea if thats accurate.
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
They missed a deadline to install the nosewheel auto-steer. 80% of regional new hires since 2016 were hired under agreement that the Regionals would comply with the FAA demand provision that the companies install Auto-Steer software in ALL their aircraft. Without it, either the pilots or the aircraft would be rendered unairworthy.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
Wouldn't be surprising given the efficiency record of the FAA combined with the almost axiomatic reality that if it sucks now it has probably sucked for quite a while.