PSA Recall 10

SpiraMirabilis said:
200 and 700 seems a lot different to me, the slats make a huge difference from what this non-qualified pilot has noticed in the JS. A 200 seems to scream in on landing compared to a 7/9.
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Maybe Bobduck can talk more about it, but you'd be surprised how simple it is to go from one to another. V speeds are all the same on flap extension as is gear. Not much difference with that. If anything difference would come with systems, but not the flying of it.

Side note, what the heck is up with these 100 furloughs? Never heard about that until today Spira?
 
meyers9163 said:
Maybe Bobduck can talk more about it, but you'd be surprised how simple it is to go from one to another. V speeds are all the same on flap extension as is gear. Not much difference with that. If anything difference would come with systems, but not the flying of it.

Side note, what the heck is up with these 100 furloughs? Never heard about that until today Spira?
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The -200 definitely lands a lot different than the -700/-900.. and after almost a year of exclusively flying the -900 I'm sure my -200 landings would be crappy for a while!

As for the furloughs, what you've heard is true. Starting April 7th and continuing into the fall. I've heard it will be in 'waves' of 20-30 at a time.

It's funny though, yesterday I heard of a captain that was junior assigned due to no reserve coverage, and today they've run out of reserve pilots on one shift completely. I don't know how we are overstaffed... I guess they just want to run things where they have to junior assign people all the time :rolleyes:
 
As Cam said it seems unavoidable. Not sure the specifics and I don't know if they're going to just straight furlough or not, because we're kind of short on the Dash and theres people in the Dash very junior. They may just run captain on captain for a while on the Dash rather than wait for people to get out of school/sim.

Whats funny is that many of the people coming through the pipeline, being involuntary displacements, may be getting furloughed themselves.
 
Trip7 said:
I'm hearing we are getting pretty short on 200 FO's and its not even summer yet. Every reserve 200 FO I've talked to is over MMG
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I heard 19 days below min staffing on the 200 for April, and I counted about 12 days on the 700. I'm on long call this month but they've yanked me to short call for 6 days of the month.
 
meyers9163 said:
Maybe Bobduck can talk more about it, but you'd be surprised how simple it is to go from one to another. V speeds are all the same on flap extension as is gear. Not much difference with that. If anything difference would come with systems, but not the flying of it.
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Not any more, but you'll hear about that soon...
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
200 and 700 seems a lot different to me, the slats make a huge difference from what this non-qualified pilot has noticed in the JS. A 200 seems to scream in on landing compared to a 7/9.
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THis is from a mechanic/dispatcher viewpoint.

I hate the 200s personally. THey always come in a mechanical problem.
Plus dispatching them in bad weather and/or heavy load can be a pain.
THe 200s are basically a bloated biz jet.


The 700s are not that bad. They are better designed than a 200. More like a proper airliner.



That's my opinion.



OH and congratulations to the lucky PSA 10.
 
surreal1221 said:
Thanks for the information EDUC. Helps me better understand how my own company's procedures might be.

It makes perfectly good sense about the whole being furloughed during a period which a recurrent would have occured. Which fits the bill for about all 80 of us over at ASA.

Thanks again.
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No problem, I've got some more information. It sounds like they're going to get 3 sim sessions, then a PC. I still don't think they will need IOE, but I could be wrong.
 
I think this slowdown is somewhat of a scam. Gas is cheap and air travel hasn't slowed that much, I think its more paranoia and greed from these companies using this as an excuse to cutback short term costs. Furloughs at AE have just been announced yet the board of directors and CEO just took home hundreds of millions in bonuses, and two close friends who work there both told me they're short on FOs as it is and losing about 10-15 per month on normal attrition. Furthermore, I was looking on APC and it seems almost half of the carriers with furloughed pilots have already started recalls.

If gas stays somewhat reasonable and travel picks up at all this summer I think we'll be in pretty good shape job-wise.:nana2:
 
EDUC8-or said:
No problem, I've got some more information. It sounds like they're going to get 3 sim sessions, then a PC. I still don't think they will need IOE, but I could be wrong.
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From talking to Kristy in training today. Its a week in dayton, 5 days in which will be a long recurrent. Followed by 3 sim sessions, a PC, and a 700 difference sim (all were dual qualified during their furlough). In addition 10 hours of IOE to assure they get caught up with someone whom can iron any small glithces out properly. Really it sounds like they have a great intrest in getting us all caught up.

My only true question becomes where am I based? That I do not know. I assume they have to reassign those and also give some relocation days. But I do not konw for certain how that all works. Just glad to be back.
 
I just heard tonight talking to a gate agent that "Casper" PS708 got hit by a tug so bad it will either be scrapped or out for over a year.

I guess it happened a couple of weeks ago. I wonder what that did to our overall block hours of flying we get. I mean, shoot maybe we would have recalled even more.:(
 
EDUC8-or said:
I don't have my training manual with me, it's up at the training center but I have a guess. Since they were furloughed when they would have been in recurrent they will go through a modified recurrent/INDOC with a brief refresher on systems and flows. From what I understand it will be about 1 week, usually our recurrent is 2 days of class spread over 3 days (1st day is 1/2 day in the afternoon so people can commute or DH in, 2nd day all day, and 3rd day 1/2 day in the morning so people can commute or DH home.)

Since these pilots have de-qualed in the airplane they will need a PC to re-qualify. I'm not sure how many sessions they will get prior to their PC's, but it could be anywhere from 1-4. Prior to furlough they all completed a 2 session differences course, but it did not reset their base month because they didn't complete a PC or PT at the end of differences. I don't think they will need IOE.

If a pilot is gone for more than 12 calendar months they must go back through initial training again, that involves INDOC, 8 sim sessions, a PC, LOFT, and IOE.
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I'm far far down in the recall list and I should not be thinking this so early but if I get recalled and I do the whole INDOC, systems, sim process all over again, all the time I spent in the company before the furlough counts towards the probation year?
 
skyhawk123 said:
I'm far far down in the recall list and I should not be thinking this so early but if I get recalled and I do the whole INDOC, systems, sim process all over again, all the time I spent in the company before the furlough counts towards the probation year?
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Should. . .at least I'd certainly hope so.

At ASA, our probationary year was paused, and will begin again when we return.
 
skyhawk123 said:
I'm far far down in the recall list and I should not be thinking this so early but if I get recalled and I do the whole INDOC, systems, sim process all over again, all the time I spent in the company before the furlough counts towards the probation year?
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You dont lose the longevity you had already gained. However during indoc and the retraining process you are gaining towards 2nd year pay and protection. If you have 3 months at the company, in 9 months you are on 2nd year pay and also protected.
 
meyers9163 said:
You dont lose the longevity you had already gained. However during indoc and the retraining process you are gaining towards 2nd year pay and protection. If you have 3 months at the company, in 9 months you are on 2nd year pay and also protected.
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Thats what happens for me when I go back to xjet. 4 weeks in (i'll still be at the school house) I go to 2nd year pay.
 
Is the rumor about more recalls true? My class date with PSA was postponed and I'm keeping my head above water in the pool. My number is high and I would likley be in the first new hire class when they start up. Hope more pilots get called back soon not only at PSA but at all airlines.
 
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