Professionalism...is sometimes lacking.

Nothing more professional than crews loudly saying in front of passengers that they hope the flight cancels so they can deadhead home or go straight to a hotel. I see such acts of professionalism somewhat often.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Nothing more professional than crews loudly saying in front of passengers that they hope the flight cancels so they can deadhead home or go straight to a hotel. I see such acts of professionalism somewhat often.
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Yeah, that's pretty bad. See it happen quite a bit, too. Not that I don't think it on occasion, but I try to only say it out of earshot. :)
 
X-Forces said:
Perhaps not, however I still believe that professionalism is subject to interpretation.

The concept "If you don not fly the aircraft exactly by company profile 100% of the time you are not professional" also does not equate, as least as far as I'm concerned.

I have done enough flying, both civilian and military, that relied not only on adherence to set procedures but the use of sound decision making, independent thought and action, and outside of the box thinking. I sincerely believe that 100% reliance on textbook procedure can be potentially dangerous.

But that's just me...YMMV
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I don't believe anyone said "If you don not fly the aircraft exactly by company profile 100% of the time you are not professional".

What I took away from the discussion is that you should STRIVE to fly that way. And, in reality, 99.9% of your flying should be able to conform to how the company wants things done. Certainly, a normal operation, sans the fact you have passed a release out the door, or have no pax on board, is not a reason to ignore the company profiles. If you wanna test something out, do that in the sim. You're there 2X a year.

There is a time to fly off flight plan or company profiles. However, in 14 years of 121, I haven't run across a situation to throw the company profiles out the window. Of course the flight plan is a different story.

Now, to placate some of our pilots that may fly at a place that doesn't have a SOP, then you have a far wider breadth of operational scope. Do what you want. Those rules are loose for whatever reason. If the company doesn't give you guidelines, you have the latitude to use whatever technique you want.

I think it is very weak on a 121 pilot's part to not be able to fly within the guidelines/profiles almost 100% of the time. Even at my 2 carriers that were not close to the top-shelf, we had very specific SOPs that covered damn near every scenario. I'm not saying I liked the procedures, or even if they would be my preferred technique. However, the procedures were workable and safe, and I was able to safely and smoothly comply with them.
 
MikeD said:
It's like the backcourse PAR, where you do opposite of whatever the GCA final controller tells you because you are on the backcourse. :)
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haha, ill have to ask navy for the "back course PAR" one night and see what they say. Those poor guys get confused enough as it is.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Deal. Director of Ops next, who's got cash?
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Hmmm, i dont know if i wanna be D.O. How much would it cost to be the guy thats always in the DO's office getting yelled at having to explain himself for breaking something, showing up late and un- shaven, and having a pissy attitude in general, but never reprimanded or fired.? Basically just show up and collect a paycheck.

That would be an easy transition for me.
 
cmill said:
Hmmm, i dont know if i wanna be D.O. How much would it cost to be the guy thats always in the DO's office getting yelled at having to explain himself for breaking something, showing up late and un- shaven, and having a pissy attitude in general, but never reprimanded or fired.? Basically just show up and collect a paycheck.

That would be an easy transition for me.
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I refuse to read all 10 pages of this.. my point has already been said on here.. you were in the back complaining about someone banking an airplane. maybe he should have just clicked on the autopilot at 500 feet and forget the skill of hand flying.
 
highalt41 said:
I refuse to read all 10 pages of this.. my point has already been said on here.. you were in the back complaining about someone banking an airplane. maybe he should have just clicked on the autopilot at 500 feet and forget the skill of hand flying.
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But if people in the back can tell the difference between your hand flying and the autopilot, you're doing it wrong. :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Deal. Director of Ops next, who's got cash?
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Ill give you Tree Fiddy

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highalt41 said:
I refuse to read all 10 pages of this.. my point has already been said on here.. you were in the back complaining about someone banking an airplane. maybe he should have just clicked on the autopilot at 500 feet and forget the skill of hand flying.
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I'm not sure who you're talking to since that description doesn't really match what I said. Besides I even actually said (in a later post) that the guy exhibited some pretty good skills in doing what he did. My point is....eh...nevermind - you can go back and read it again if you're really interested. If you really just want to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, just say so. No skin off my back either way.
 
dasleben said:
But if people in the back can tell the difference between your hand flying and the autopilot, you're doing it wrong. :)
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God I hope people in the back can tell the difference between my hand flying and the autopilot. You have a few hours in the 145 and know how big of a POS the autopilot is.
 
Gonzo said:
God I hope people in the back can tell the difference between my hand flying and the autopilot. You have a few hours in the 145 and know how big of a POS the autopilot is.
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Haha, fair point...

I do recall that you could make it smooth through TCS and using LNAV until closer in on the localizer.
 
SteveC said:
I'm not sure who you're talking to since that description doesn't really match what I said. Besides I even actually said (in a later post) that the guy exhibited some pretty good skills in doing what he did. My point is....eh...nevermind - you can go back and read it again if you're really interested. If you really just want to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, just say so. No skin off my back either way.
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Well I don't mind the criticism. I know, at times, I get rusty with the hand flying part (miss the 1900) and I try my best to dust off the yoke, I'm sure the pax aren't always grateful. Plus, electric trim can suck it. Give me a wheel for the small corrections.
 
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